UPDATE Season Team G MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG MANU 07-08 SAS 20 29,6 0,478 0,438 0,840 1,0 3,9 4,9 4,5 1,8 0,4 2,40 2,40 21,2 TMAC 07-08 HOU 18 37.3 0.448 0.349 0.718 0.5 4.9 5.4 5.8 1.1 0.4 2.67 1.80 25.3
So what?. mcGrady>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manu. only a r****d like you would think otherwise. put duncan, tracy and parker together and thats a dynasty.didnt you say tracy is not as good as carter before? did you watch the game last night. tracy was matchedup on carter in the 1st half. he tore carter to pieces. in the second half the nets put wright on him.
Ginobili for T-Mac!!!!??? Now some of you need to quit watching basketball. You guys wanna trade a perennial All-NBA player and MVP candidate for a borderline All-star!? Caron Butler is putting up better numbers than Ginobili across the board, wanna trade T-Mac for Butler instead!?
Really? Are you sure? This season PER among Shooting Guards: 1 Manu Ginobili, SAS 30.65 2 Kobe Bryant, LAL 25.64 3 Michael Redd, MIL 24.04 4 Tracy McGrady, HOU 23.21 5 Allen Iverson, DEN 21.86 6 Kevin Martin, SAC 21.51 7 Josh Howard, DAL 21.28 8 Paul Pierce, BOS 20.66 9 Jason Terry, DAL 20.34 10 Ronnie Brewer, UTH 19.63 A lot of people posted on this thread Manu couldn't play,or be a go to guy, or that his staats would drop a lot without Duncan: 2 Games, both victories over Dalls and Utah, and Manu, who was even triple teamed by Dallas, posted this numbers: 37 PPG, 6 RBS, 6 AST, 2.5 STL, 47% FG, 28-31 FT and palyed amazing defense... Just as good as the best TMac... Watch both games and then we'll speak again... if you enjoy Bball it's a a shame you are missing to enjoy an unique player... Anyways, TMac is the superstar that Houston has, and the team is blessed in having two of them... they should be focusing on building a supporting cast that extracts the best of him and Yao, instead thinking about trading them, which is absurd because they won't get equal value in return... Trading superstars is almost always a losing proposition, unless you are rebuilding... and Houston should not give up on this team yet...
Dude.......there's much more to basketball or to a team than mere points or statistics. Granted, Tmac is not a ferocious slasher as Manu but he makes so much more plays for his team than Manu is for San Antonio. You also forget that he has a good point guard next to him......lets see....whats his name again? (Tony...Parker?) It is also a fact that Ginobli doesn't play well as a starter-he said so himself. These last couple of games were amazing, but I don't think he's ready to shoulder an entire team like Tmac or Yao
I remember a couple years ago Flip Murray was among the league leaders in scoring early in the season. A few games, especially 2 isn't changing my stance on Ginobili. And based on season averages, Caron Butler has him in almost everything. He's just to inconsistent. One game he's good for 30, another game he gets you 7pts and 7TO's. He's the ultimate rollercoaster, and right now he's on the top of the hill. It won't be long before he returns to earth. Also, would you trade Redd for T-Mac. I hardly think so. And D-Whistle isn't on that list. I don't think a soul who knows basketball takes Ronnie Brewer or Jason Terrible over D-Whistle.
who is D-Whistle? i can think of 2 players with D.W. as their initials, and both deron willams and dwayne wade are way better than brewer
He's talking about Dwyane Wade. The "whistle" part is referring to Wade's ability to draw phantom foul calls.
I thought it meant that Wade whistles past the defender . This thread is pointless though. The only way for the Rockets to trade Tmac sensibly is to dump his contract for expring contracts, to get lesser value for him. I don't see how you do that before he loses his game. That would only happen if the Rockets decide to rebuild or build around Yao and a group of good players.
That "inconsistency" is a mirage. Ginobili's minutes are inconsistent, because he's a bench player and Popovich will sit down main guys for long stretches when the Spurs are ahead. Also, because Ginobili's role doesn't require him to be a go to guy, he's not always to get a lot of shot attempts. That doesn't mean he isn't capable of excelling in such a role if it is thrust on him. The Spurs simply don't need that kind of player on nightly basis because they're so well rounded. Just watch him play, and you see that he has the total package. Butler is playing 40 mpg, and Ginobili is playing 30 mpg. If they got the same minutes, I think Ginobili's numbers would easily be better. To illustrate, here's what they're averaging per 35: Code: pts reb ast stl tov TS% Butler 19.7 5.8 3.2 1.8 2.5 61.1% Ginobili 25.0 5.8 5.3 2.1 2.8 63.8% And last season: Code: pts reb ast stl tov TS% Butler 17.1 6.7 3.3 1.9 2.5 53.7% Ginobili 18.9 5.5 4.5 1.8 2.6 60.1% You said that Ginobili has been playing above his head. I won't dispute that. His PER is over 30 right now, and only a handful of players in NBA history have eclipsed that mark. But consider this. Ginobili's TS% is at 63.8%. Last three seasons, he's been right around 60%, amongst the league leaders. We can reasonably expect that TS% to dip down to about 60%. That would lower his scoring about 6%. But Butler has a 61.1 TS% right now, which is well above his scoring efficiency in recent seasons -- which has been around 53-54%. So, Butler is scoring about 11% more than he would if his efficiency matched that of recent seasons. If anything, Caron's scoring production appears to be more of a fluke than Ginobili's.
I would trade Yao for Dwight in a second... but then would would have 7 for 21 Tmac... to deal with... Clutch correctly pointed out Tmac missed 14 shots shooting 33%.... but whats new with that... Tmac shot like that in two 3rds of his games last year... and like every other game...this year so far...
Idiot. trade a 27 yearold superstar who is better then kidd in every facet of the game for a aging star. tracy is not only is the better scorer, he is even a superior playmaker to.
McGrady is doing this year what he's always done, which is play great and miss a few games with injuries. Gotta improve the players around him STILL. and not have coaching changes mess up the flow. Consider that after all his dreadful shooting this year, after all his lessened minutes per game of late that Mike James is STILL the 3rd leading scorer on this team! I'll criticize McGrady's horrible shot selection and questionable leadership in a second, and will still say that can't be pinned on McGrady.
You know what? San Antonio would never trade manu for tmac jump shooting triigger happy from the outside collecting bricks who doesn't drive worth a damn. Manu, in my eyes, has alot more value than tmac. He does all the intangibles. Hes consistent and theres one thing he does best, and that is drive to the rack and producing. If a trade were to happen, it would be with smaller teams like the clippers or something. Tmac for Maggette, Cat. Lets face it, tmac doesn't have a strong will to close games. Come playoff time, this will effect the rockets as a team because he is supposedly our superstar.
For the very first time, after watching him played for 3 years, I quit on TMac. This lazy-on-defense, no-passion,random-jumpers MacGrady won't take the Rockets nowhere.
