I think Behad was thinking more about the other topics than this one. I know the "Rules changes and effects on roster" concept thread has been rehashed a few times on here. I think a lot of new posters tend to start too many threads when they first start posting on a bbs. I know when I started posting here I started a lot of stupid topics that didn't seem stupid to me at the time, but when I saw no one posting on them, I realized that they were pretty stupid. I'm not saying Becker's topics are stupid though, this topic is pretty newsworthy, props go out to becker for the scoop... I'm starting to notice newer posters getting offended a little bit too easily when someone else is trying to help them get acclimated to the board. What's wrong with trying to help out the new guy? He even welcomed him to the board in that other thread. Now time to get on topic... I went to realgm and sure enough it checks out. I can NEVER get a 3 team deal to work on that damn thing! The only reason I could see the Bulls wanting KT is so they can ship out Fizer and still have a servicable backup PF. I wouldn't want to give up KT for Horry, it's so hard to measure how much Horry is really worth. I mean during the whole season you think the dude is worthless, but when you get into the playoffs and he hits THE shot that clinches a playoff game, you think he's worth more than 5 mil. If we were a seasoned playoff team, I'd do this deal, but we're not, and Robert Horry isn't going to help this team grow that much. ------------------ Hey, it's the wizard! I hope you don't get nervous like last time. We wouldn't want you to... "wiz" on someone!
I like seeing new topics, and more importantly, new thoughts. This one has new thoughts and new information. The more narrow the subject matter, the easier it is to hone in on those threads which interest a poster. This one interests me because I think neither Wiz nor Thomas make this team a playoff team, both take up cap space, and neither is as good as Horry. Carroll and Rudy are probably running more scenarios than we can imagine, and this one makes more sense than most I see posted to the board. Someone mentioned involvement of draft picks in such a deal, and I could see some of that happening, too. ------------------
Thanks Ren and BGM for watching my back. Some of these new guys are soooo touchy! Take a lesson from Pinetree. We bumped into each other in another thread, but he just kept giving his opinion without throwing a hissy fit. He's starting to grow on me. ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
This would be a poor deal for the Rockets, in my opinion. 1) Williams and Horry are similarly overpaid, yet at least we can count on the Wiz to show up once every ten games or so. Robert tends to sleep through the year until playoff time. 2)Kenny Thomas is better than Robert Horry, and younger, and cheaper. I would rather keep him as a back-up PF than bring in Horry. 3)If we know we are getting Webber(and I do not see how we could), disregard everything I've said. I think it would be a good deal. The thing is, Robert Horry is the type of palyer to bring in to an established playoff team to provide some defense and hit some clutch shots in the 4th quarter. A playoff team could easily stomach Horry's salary if it meant they could win a few games, and maybe get them over the hump. But the Rockets are not an established playoff team and cannot afford to have a player on the roster who is only a playoff performer. It wastes a roster space, and since we're already wasting a roster space on Cato, I'd rather not waste another. However, if Webber comes here, then I would think we jump up near the west's elite, and I would not object to bringing in a guy like Horry to nail a couple daggers in the playoffs. ------------------ "I always thought it was something that went around my house" - World B. Free on Defence
You're missing the point. The bottom line is, leave the homophobia out of your posts. You don't like the trade, so you equate it with being gay? And then you make it worse by being incredulous that some people might be upset? Let me know if you need to know what "incredulous" means... ------------------
Are you talking about hissy fit??? Because I sure do believe you were the one throwing a "hissy fit" about new posters not knowing what they're doing and me making imflammatory comments to gays or whatever that was about. Whatever Behad, I'm sick of arguing with you. wrath of khan, i think you're the one missing the point. It's not that I'm incredulous that someone may be upset. Let's face the facts, no one is going to throw a fit because I said the word "gay." Until someone that is gay comes here and is truly offended by that, I will stand by that. Just let it go. blah let's get back to the topic. ------------------ [This message has been edited by RocketKid (edited June 18, 2001).]
LOL @ Wrath! I'm out guys, shift's over. Tomorrow. ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
I don't like this trade even if we do get Webber. I am of the opinion that KT is better than Horry, even if he doesn't quite have the range that Bobby does. Horry seems to fade in and out during the regular season, sometimes giving great effort, other times dropping off the map entirely. With KT, you know what you are going to get, maximum effort, even if the skills aren't necessarily there. We need more of that kind of attitude on our team, and getting rid of some of it won't help (see Rogers, Carlos). ------------------ CC.NET Sim League Web Page My Team (Sonics) Feeling claustrophobic, like the walls are closing in. Blood stains on my hands, and I don't know where I've been. I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet. I'm chomping at the bit, and my palms are getting wet. Sweating Bullets Runnin', Ravin', Endin', Out.
you can call it "helping them get acclimated" to the board, but if u notice how new posters are getting offended, then why continue doing it, even though your intentions may mean well..they will naturally get that idea since they are newbies. its comparable to the gay comments..even though rocket kid used it as an expression..and not as an intentional insult to homosexuals..he shouldnt continue to do it..since it obviously offends them..regardless of what he really means..he shouldnt continue saying it. and i dont believe that anyone's threads are really "stupid". if they feel compelled to throw their two sense in..or have a "dumb" question that they really want the answer..then they should feel free to do so. But anyways..this is my last post on this issue..theres no need to argue. ------------------
You haven't been here long enough to say that.... trust me. ... and before someone gets their underoos in a wad, that wasn't a stab at newbies ------------------ "I had mine chewed off by a boss one time." -- Behad leaves us wondering if he gets hazard pay...
Of course we'd all rather get rid of Cato... but this trade would make the Rockets a bit more legit in their conversations with Chris Webber. Besides, the Rockets are going to be able to get either Bradley or Murphy in the draft... they're not veterans, but either should play the backup PF just fine. ------------------ When this guy started smoking 40 years ago, people had no idea it was bad for you. People had to guess based on the hacking cough, shortness of breath, and bloody phlegm girl you looks good won't you mock that draft up?!
I just don't see this as a good deal for Houston or even the Bulls. IMO, Thomas is more valuable (for what he provides & how much he costs) than Horry. Although Horry is somewhat "clutch" during playoffs, he is not a 100% guy during the reg season, we don't need more players like that (we already have Cato) to be around our young guys. At best, you can argue that this is an even trade. If this is an even trade, why would you take a risk of (1) chemistry problem (remember Clutch & DocRoc has already mention that a Walt trade was dead because the deal wasn't sweet enough & that other players love him?) and (2) helping out the Lakers (who is getting a steal in this trade scenario)? I also don't see how the Bulls are better with Williams & Thomas over Miller & Artest. Well, including myself there are already 3 people in this thread that are offended by your "gay" comment. If you don't mean to belittle the gay community, DON'T USE IT in that context.
Let me put on my Laker goggles...yep looks good to me. ------------------ "Chucky who? I thought we were talking about basketball?" Charles Barkley
To help the Lakers, we really need to help ourselves. Fizer and Miller came on strong last year. The Lakers would really solidify the front line with those guys...and we all know that team needs no help. I might give up Cato and KT for Fizer, Fizer for Horry. Robert can play backup 4, 3, or even 5 (if we're against an Eastern Conference team). ------------------
That trade proposal seems kinda balanced, but LA probably would have to throw in some picks cause that's just a little too much for Horry. Now as for Behad: dude, you seem like a legitimate guy and you are definitely a legitimate poster. The thing is, I was wondering why you have this "Sgt. of Arms" mentality. Did Clutch email you saying that the admins need help policing the boards? Now don't take this the wrong way, cause I think you are doing a good job at being a Sgt of Arms, but I was just wondering why. Is it your personality? Remember back in HS and even in college where there was clubs and organizations? Remember those Sgt of Arms in those clubs? No one liked them cause they were control freaks. Now they did a good job, and I understood that that was their job. I even was a Sgt of Arms, but was crappy at it cause I didn't like yelling at people to shut up. My point is, you are good at what you do, but do you really need to do it? We're not having a student government meeting here, and I doubt many posters would want that atmosphere. Is that the atmosphere you want? And I really don't buy the theory that you MUST criticize the post NOW before it becomes a trend and destroys the quality of the board. Maybe that's true during the season to a point because the boards can get flooded, but the off-season, it's like half the traffic if not less. I understand what you are doing, but I'm just curious as to your motivations. Is this your job, like real life job also? Whatever. And as for CriscoKidd, it wasn't a horribly derogatory remark, but it still was derogatory. But then again, I didn't realize all of y'all are such evolved humans that y'all are shocked at seeing someone using the word "gay" negatively. This thing happens everyday in my environment. It's not right, but, I don't know... I guess I don't want any cultural sensitivity seminars goin on on the BBS. Some are damn good, many are stupid, but I definitely don't think you can have a successful one on the bbs. And for those of you who have attended one or many(like I), you know that bashing someone for using a record like "gay" isn't going to get anywhere. ------------------ I'm having a ****ty day.
Kim, may I email you? Send me your address at behad@yahoo.com ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
Robert used to drive me nuts all the time with his apparent lack of work ethic and inconsistency.That being said,he's flat out a money player and I would have to disagree about the Rockets being too far away from contending to benefit from what he brings to the table.This "Summer of Love" might change some minds about that.Most of us know the book on him...good defense..very long..can play the 3/4...will stick the outside J.(especially in the clutch)..and can make that entry pass.Yes,he can play stiff,without good body control,and at times appear lackadaisical. Watching Kenny Thomas in college,I always wondered how he would get his shot off in the pros.I saw the good footwork,but thought he was a tweener.While KT has done some things well,he has done nothing to dispell my earlier notions about him.Thomas might be able to help another team with his attributes,butI don't see it here.He's just taking up space and caproom where a role player,proficient in one specific area or a higher quality all around talent should be IMO.He hustles his butt off,but.... Walt seems to have found his jumper again,but one wonders how much longer before he loses it again.With his salary and trade value with the rule changes,I would say adios.He's a helluva nice guy and might even keep that J.... be a mercenary for awhile more,who knows? This proposed deal is a go yesterday to me for the folowing reasons: losing Walt's salary losing Walt..He just doesn't deserve the kind of minutes RT gives him losing KT,who's ceiling is not that high bringing in a player that will play good defense...interior,weakside,and is long..DEFENSE. adding a clutch player who will knock down those daggers from outside when we need them. My only question is what Robert's salary will be and how it will affect the cap. As far as the use of the word gay as an adjective like that,I think it brings down the overall quality and maturity level of the board...and it is offensive to many.This is a really cool place to come hang out..and it has staying power.One of the reasons for this is the diligence with which all of the members "police the board".It's a community... ------------------ If I had my life to live over,I would have liked to have ended up as a sportswriter - Richard M. Nixon,1969
Not sure why I'm even bothering, but ... It's not that you used the word "gay", it's that you used it negatively. Let me sum up your post. What you said was: 1. You thought the trade was bad. 2. You called the trade "gay." 3. According to you, "gay" = "bad." Oh, and how do you know that I'm not a gay person coming to this board who's offended by your post? Answer: you don't. Anyway, you're obviously clueless and ignornant and beyond hope (as Kim said, this is a lousy place for sensitivity training), so this will be my last post on the matter. I just couldn't let your ridiculous jab at me go unanswered. As for the trade, it's too much for a player (Horry) who's career has already peaked. If we can work out a deal that doesn't include a young player like KT, I'm all for it. If Horry tells the Lakers he's gone anyway, maybe we can get them to take Wiz and Los and a future second rounder or two? [This message has been edited by wrath_of_khan (edited June 18, 2001).]
