I am not sure if you are implying that I have been here under different names, but I assure you this is my first and only username for this site. I started reading threads on here last year and joined for the first time with this ID.
Sam I AM is 38! Hello! He's a PG that would not work with a faster tempo. Short term he may provide 1 or 2 average seasons. At what expense though? You want a trade to make your team better. I'm not so sure of this being the case. Plus, that injury flare up thing especially after 35 seems to happen more time than not.
let's see here, you started a thread. people disagree with it. and some people have a side conversation about something else that was mentioned in the thread. you decided to be angry and insult the side topic / topic posters. the intent of the side topic was not to further insinuate that your topic sucks and disagree with you. hatemavs, like most veteran Houston origin fans like to reminisce and share their feelings on common memories of being a Rockets fan. Unless you were listening to Debbie Gibson back in the day, I don't know why you'd bother jumping in our side conversation. i don't know why you are wasting your energy anyways, its not like you are moderator. Hatemavs and I can talk about Debbie Gibson or KoKo B Ware if we wanted to. you got to learn side conversations happen in threads. especially ones where people don't really have more to say about it.
My mistake............. it is fixed here and in the future. I will attempt to edit my previous post. BrooksBall? I have to remember that name.
Another condescending poster. Hello? I am not expecting Cassell to be a starter. Even at 38, Cassell can offer a playoff team that extra piece. I know things aren't looking good right now but we do have a shot at the playoffs. Cassell is the type of player that can be HUGE in the playoffs and crunch time. We wouldn't be acquiring Cassell for anything beyond this season and would be giving up players like James, Francis, Snyder to get him in this hypothetical scenario. The Warriors are considering grabbing Gary Payton for a backup role. He is 39. Hello?
Wrong, again. I am not trying to be a moderator. I did not decide to get angry and insult others. I was responding to others that were making condescending or insulting comments to me. I shouldn't even be doing that but I certainly didn't instigate anything. People that tell others that their ideas suck or are stupid are the instigators, whether or not they have been a member for 2 days or 5 years. Go back and find the first comment I made that reflected anger and see what I was responding to. I didn't start anything.
You acted upon my sarcasm. Interesting. Remember my username if you see value in doing so. I personally think it would be a wasted effort. I certainly won't make a conscious effort to remember your name. No value in doing so.
1. hatemavs said nothing about Maagette 2. This is just a response to me about Debbie Gibson, has nothing to about anything else sorry dude, you're the one acting all prozac-ish on this .
I don't even now what prozac-ish means. I believe hatemavs used the word "stupid" in one of his responses. I took offense to that and responded. I am trying not to respond back out of anger but it is hard at times. Again, I didn't instigate anything. I can admit to having bad or even terrible ideas. I just think it would be best to avoid condescending and insulting remarks. I will try to start with myself and avoid such comments, even in response to others that are being offensive.
I didn't think you called me Britney Spears. Even if you had, that would be too ridiculous to even take offense too. I am just here to talk basketball. I will try to stick that.
Francis has difficulty staying healthy and there is talk that his career might be near the end. Snyder and James can't break into the rotation and seem to be relegated to getting mopup minutes. Here is what Maggette does for the Clippers: Corey Maggette NBA Ranking: 61 Salary Ranking: 89 (There are 88 players paid more than Maggette in the NBA) TEAM RANKINGS * ranked #1 in points * ranked #2 in rebounds * ranked #5 in assists Here is what Sam Cassell does for the Clippers: Sam Cassell TEAM RANKINGS * ranked #5 in points * ranked #9 in rebounds * ranked #2 in assists Josh Powell contributes little to the Clippers, but then he isn't paid very much either: Josh Powell NBA Ranking: 332 Salary Ranking: 355 (There are 354 players paid more than Powell in the NBA) TEAM RANKINGS * ranked #14 in points * ranked #5 in rebounds * ranked #11 in assists Steve Francis hasn't played that much for a variety of reasons: Steve Francis NBA Ranking: 244 Salary Ranking: 239 (There are 238 players paid more than Francis in the NBA) TEAM RANKINGS * ranked #11 in points * ranked #11 in rebounds * ranked #3 in assists Mike James appears to have contributed even less to the team: Mike James NBA Ranking: 270 Salary Ranking: 112 (There are 111 players paid more than James in the NBA) TEAM RANKINGS * ranked #8 in points * ranked #13 in rebounds * ranked #6 in assists Kirk Snyder seems to be in a situation similar to what Josh Powell is with the Clippers when it comes to contributing to his respective team (Rockets). Yet, Snyder is making over twice as much in salary compared to Powell. Kirk Snyder NBA Ranking: 309 Salary Ranking: 244 (There are 243 players paid more than Snyder in the NBA) TEAM RANKINGS * ranked #13 in points * ranked #14 in rebounds * ranked #12 in assists Bonzi has the strongest stats of any Rocket in your trade scenario: Bonzi Wells NBA Ranking: 150 Salary Ranking: 249 (There are 248 players paid more than Wells in the NBA) TEAM RANKINGS * ranked #4 in points * ranked #3 in rebounds * ranked #9 in assists Contracts: NBA Player Contracts Francis 2007 - 2008 2008 - 2009 (Player Option?) Snyder 2007 - 2008 Wells 2007 - 2008 James 2007 - 2008 2008 - 2009 2009 - 2010 (Player Option) Cassell 2007 - 2008 Josh Powell 2007 - 2008 Maggette 2007 - 2008 2008 - 2009 (Player Option) ]Total Team Salaries Clippers Payroll: $64,126,856 Cap Room: $-8,496,856 Rockets Payroll: $69,399,472 Cap Room: $-13,769,472 Here is a story from a Clippers fan site about their (Clippers) situation in regards to trades and player contracts. Trade Deficit By ClipperSteve Posted on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 03:13:00 PM PDT As I ponder my own entry in the 'Fix the Clips' contest, I've noticed an interesting phenomenon. Although the Clippers have intriguing trade assets, and in some cases there are obvious destinations for the assets, conflicting goals or a simple absence of a good trade match has made it very difficult to come up with any reasonable trades. Maybe it's just a total lack of imagination on my part, but for the moment I'm stumped. Sam Cassell is in the final year of his contract. He's a winner. He's a point guard. He's a veteran. All of those things make him highly tradeable. So why can't I come up with a good trade? Part of the problem is that the fact that he's in the final year of his contract and the fact that he can actually play tend to cancel each other out - or at any rate, the value does not compound, as one might expect. Teams looking to make a salary dump would be interested in his contract - but those teams aren't interested in harnessing his playoff experience this May. Furthermore, the Clippers are in all likelihood NOT interested in taking back contracts in return given their salary cap situation. Meaning that Sam's salary dump value is almost nil. You can't have both partners dumping salary in the same trade. So any trade involving Cassell would seem to hinge on the receiving team wanting the help he can provide. Given that there are a handful of teams who fancy themselves contenders who need help at the point (Cleveland comes to mind), this is still a possibility. Prior to the beginning of the season, I thought that Boston was a likely destination (a reunion with KG, an upgrade over Rajon Rondo); but with Rondo playing well and Boston cruising at 27-3, one wonders if Boston wants to do ANYTHING to their current team. But the biggest problem of course is that neither Boston nor Cleveland nor seemingly anyone else has anything that the Clippers would want. Still, Cassell to Cleveland for their first round pick (and a traded player exception) might be better than nothing. Maggette, with an opt out in his contract for next season, is in a situation essentially identical to Cassell's from a trade value standpoint. He's good. He's short term, so he can help you now without hurting your cap long term. He's a lot younger than Cassell. But his relative youth is essentially irrelevant, since he could be in the final year of his contract. Any team that trades for him is essentially renting his services for the next 3 to 5 months. And as in the case of Cassell, the Clippers are highly unlikely to take back Maggette's full salary in a trade. Still, a playoff hopeful in need of an athletic wing might be interested. Wings are in less demand than point guards, so it probably narrows the field some. But wouldn't Corey be a nice fit in Orlando? Keith Bogans is their starting shooting guard, and Mo Evans is their first forward off the bench. Maggette would be a major upgrade in both cases. The other Clippers who are likely to be shopped are Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley. There's nothing sinister or mysterious here. Brand, Kaman, Livingston and Thornton are the Clippers least likely to be traded. And anyone making $2M or less is not worth much discussion on the trade market. Which leaves Cassell, Maggette, Thomas and Mobley. In the cases of Thomas and Mobley, the most likely scenario would be a straight salary dump for the Clippers. Thomas in particular may fit this description. With Thornton emerging and Brand returning, his minutes figure to decrease significantly next season. I've never liked Thomas, but I've defended the decision to bring him to LA based on the fact that he does something the Clippers need - he shoots threes. I'm beginning to rethink that - call it the RFP (Richie Frahm Postulate). If what you want is a one-dimensional long range shooter, let's pay the NBA minimum for it rather than the full mid level exception. Of course, Thomas is supposed to be more than just a three point specialist... but is he? And this season, shooting 33.6% from beyond the arc, he's not really even that (Thornton AND Maggette are shooting essentially as well from three.) Still, Thomas proved two seasons ago that he can be incredibly valuable to a playoff team who needs his skills. Is there one out there? Would they be willing to live with Tim Thomas for two more seasons after this one? If someone offered a package of expiring contracts for Thomas, the Clippers should jump at it. A similar, though less compelling argument, exists for Mobley. The Clippers figure to save more money since Cat is paid more. But he's also less redundant than Thomas - less redundant, in that he is not redundant at all, being the only real shooting guard on the Clippers current roster. So while it's not out of the realm of possibility that Cat could be dealt to a contender for expiring contracts, it seems unlikely. It is hard to imagine that the Clippers would be interested in taking on the longer term contract of Mike James who hasn't shown very much on the court this season. Neither James or Francis are known as true Point Guards..........Combo Guards is what many would label them as. Snyder is buried towards the end of the bench and doesn't matter. Bonzi is the only one of the Rockets in your trade scenario that is counted upon to be a significant contributor at this point in the season. Cassell is still able to contribute on the court based upon the stats above. Powell is buried towards the end of the bench and doesn't matter. Maggette is able to contribute quite a bit and it is difficult to imagine Bonzi being able to replace his (Maggette's) current output for the Clippers. Summary of the key points in your trade scenario after reviewing the above: 1. The Rockets are able to dump the longer term contract of Mike James for the shorter term contracts of Cassell and Maggette. 2. The Rockets are able to get Maggette who is likely to be able to replace and even perhaps exceed the current production of Bonzi. 3. Too many Point Guards for the Rockets that deserve to play (at this moment) in Alston, Brooks and Cassell. 4. Have yet to find anything in the above that would make the Clippers even think about this trade scenario.
BrooksBall, Dont go the blastaway. sometimes, its better just to turn your PC off for awhile. You cant get anything out of tinman - its like blood out of stone - ain't gonna happen. lets face it, references to Debbie Gibson and Koko B Ware are pretty hard to top.
I won't blast away at all at a well thought out argument like this one that doesn't include insults and condescending remarks. You make some good points. I was initially just looking at Cassell as a short-term backup for the mental edge he provides but I added Maggette at the last minute. The bottom line is that both Cassell and Maggette are attainable. Whether or not we need them and what we would have to give up to get either, or both, of them is more of the issue. I like Brooks a lot and think he has a bright future. I absolutely would not trade him unless it is part of some phenomenal deal that the Rockets can't pass up on. I just think that wherever Cassell goes, his attitude and confidence rubs off on his teammates, even if it is from the bench or during practice. He is as clutch as they come and would be a good presence on this team, in any facet. After T-Mac we don't have any dependable SGs. Head certainly doesn't qualify. Bonzi is listed as a SG but is obviously more effective playing down low. Maggette would be an great backup to McGrady and whoever plays SF. He would also be an excellent replacement when T-Mac is injured, which is obviously a reasonable consideration. Maybe my initial trade idea was pathetic but if we could make a reasonable deal that the Clippers would entertain and doesn't involve the following players... Yao McGrady Scola Brooks ...I would be all for it. That means that I would be willing to part with Battier and anybody else not on that list if it could bring us Cassell and/or Maggette. Battier does some great things but, ultimately, I just don't think he is best-suited for Adelman's system. We could also maybe use a 2nd round draft pick to entice the Clippers if the players involved aren't enough. The bottom line is that Cassell and Maggette are attainable players that could help a team with playoff aspirations like the Rockets.
I want to correct one point in my last post: I wouldn't give up anything to get Cassell. It would have to be something reasonable considering his age. On the other hand, I would be willing to give up a solid player like Battier for Maggette.
Funny how you call Battier solid here when not too long ago you made this thread Way to be solid on your opinion on Battier LOL. But to go back on the topic, why would the Clippers want Battier? Oh that's right, because he's "solid".
