I heard from my Portland sources that your Rockets are getting Pippen back for a future second round pick since the Rockets need a SF, and we dont need his sorry high-paid ass! ------------------ Blazing to the Title!
Leaning to Vancouver...Goodbye, Dream, it's been great. ------------------ Sometimes you gotta do the next best thing!
Come on Crash....won't you take him for free. he could be the Rockets Mascot you know ------------------ Blazing to the Title!
I don't think the Rockets will part with Dream. i think it'll most probably be of the following: 1- Walt Williams 2- Kenny Thomas 3- Carlos Rogers 4- Kelvin Cato 5- (dare i say) Shandon Anderson nope, Bullard's stayin ------------------ President of the Kelvin Cato Fan Club [This message has been edited by CompaqC (edited January 07, 2001).]
okay wise guys, we'll see who has the last laugh. I know what I saw and heard, if your feeling blue just because you were not there to hear all, thats fine, I can understand that, but let the questionable character legitamcy shots float around within your own jealous uninformed minds - dont verbally insinuate that I lack trustworthiness - Mr. Senior Citizen School - crushed by jealousy9763 - Puff n'w/ Sam mack Whether Pig miller was waived are not is not my concern, I know what I heard, and I heard somebody say: Pig Miller contract. ------------------ [This message has been edited by ROCKETBOOSTER (edited January 07, 2001).]
FWIW, there are hot rumors going around that that the Suns are trying to acquire Shareef. Marion coming to the Rockets is also great, but the Grizz giving up Shareef just for cap space room is downright bizarre. You don't give up quite possibly the best SF/PF in the league just for cap space, especially if you're Vancouver because you've already proven you're not exactly going to attract too many people to your team. And who said it's Vancouver, to begin with? ------------------ "Christ, it's not as if Steve pissed on a guy!!!!!" -- cson makes a return to my quotable sig as he comments on how Steve Francis should not be T'd up for slapping the backboard on a dunk...speak loudly cson, you rock!
Well actually Bo Outlaw DOES make sense. Bo mentioned the Houston Astros as his favorite team http://www.nba.com/playerfile/charles_outlaw.html hmmmm....could it be ------------------ Dream Rejects Every Attempt Made
This story is very interesting, reminds me of the overheard phone call that began the Steve Francis trade rumors (I think it was Francis 3, though I could be mistaken). Not only would Outlaw fulfill a big need, he fits *most* of the descriptions that we are looking for. ------------------ http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/houstonrockets2000 [This message has been edited by DaneB (edited January 07, 2001).]
Here's a post that I did in another thread, that'll give you something to think about. This trade works according to RealGM. Can you see any reasons that it may or may not happen & would it be beneficial to all teams, especially the Rockets, or is it just unrealistic dream casting? Houston sends Dream/LOS to Vancouver Houston sends Walt/Cato to Chicago Vancouver sends TMass/Bibby to Chicago Vancouver sends Othella/Reeves/Shareef to Houston Chicago sends Fizer/Artest/Crawford/Miller to Vancouver Houston would receive a trade exception of $3,431,667. Houston drops almost 6 million in salary. Vancouver drops almost 15.5 million after Dream's contract expires. Chicago takes on 4.7 million in salary, but gets a starting center, that when healthy, would be a major improvement defensively, a starting PG, Walt (who can score a lot when he hits a hot streak), & depth in the front court with TMass. Houston gets a future super star in Shareef. The PF spot would be deep & offer insurance in case we lose MO. I've heard some people say that Reeves might be an adequate center for our system, since all we really need from the center is someone to block shots & rebound. I'm not sure about that though. Could you see us trading him later & if so to whom? We'd be set at both guard positions & the power forward position. If Langhi develops, then we would be set at the SF position. That just leaves the center position as the only question. Vancouver greatly reduces their team salary & gets some low paid, promising young players. Chicago & Houston have some picks that could be thrown in if need be. Although, because Houston is helping Vancouver out with so much salary relief, it's my opinion that they shouldn't have to give up more than one or two future picks & none for this year. Nike voiced some concerns, with the biggest being that Chicago might not go for it. So, I would suggest, that if they balked at it, we could throw in the pick or picks that they owe us for Drew. That would allow them to package picks for other trades. As I understand it now, they would have to pay us before they could trade any #1 picks for the next 5 years. Shareef & Cato are both BYC players, which limits the number of teams that could be included in the trade to just the Bulls & Clippers, unless someone could get real creative. That's why, I don't think Phoenix will be involved, but then again, what do I know? What's your opinion on this idea? Could it work or how could it be improved? I'm discovering that dealing with BYC players is a real pain in the neck. ------------------
I'm going to take a stab at this one... I vote A. "Brace yourselves" does not necessarily imply "blockbuster." I personally did not expect the Rockets to be players in trade talks this year, so the mere fact a trade is going down is a surprise. So, I'm "bracing" myself for a trade, any trade. I vote A. If the handshake is in place, why would it take a week unless some other teams are involved and we're waiting for the bigger part of the deal to go down? I vote B. Here's why: 1. Everyone in the country knows that Grizz are, for the first time ever, actively shopping 'Reef. But it will undoubtedly be a complex deal that could very well involve three (or even four) teams. 2. Despite backing off his original comments, Othella has publicly expressed his dislike of playing in Vancouver and of the city of Vancouver itself. 3. With Swift in the wings, Othella is merely "renting" the starting PF job until Swift is ready. 4. Rudy is on record as saying that Othella is one of his favorite players. Didn't he say that was the hardest part of the Francis trade? 5. Othella has proven himself to be very effective off the bench in the Rockets' system in addition to being able to turn his game up a notch when called upon to start. Therefore, if he accepts the bench role (which I think he would to get out of Canada and be reunited with Rudy), he doesn't interfere with Mo's development. Less factual, but my opinions: 1. 'Reef is an outstanding player, a solid citizen, and has yet to reach his ceiling. He could become the best SF in the league someday. I'm fairly sure that many of the 10 teams in "serious discussions" can come up with a more attractive package than an aging center (albeit a superstar) and mid-round draft picks for that kind of player. The Grizz need building blocks -- not a final piece of the puzzle to win a championship (i.e. Hakeem). 2. The Rockets and Grizz have a trading history (reminds me of 'Stros/Tigers). So, given a choice of, say, the Grizz, Mavs, Pistons, or Suns as trading partners -- I'm going to guess Grizz every time. Therefore, I say it's Othella. I do hope I'm wrong, lightning strikes, and we add 'Reef to a nucleus of Francis, Mobley, Anderson, and Mo. But I'm not holding my breath, and I'll be thrilled to see Othella (who is still one of my favorite Rocket draft picks of all time) back in the striped PJ's. ------------------
I'm shocked you guys have missed one thing that at least to me was a possibility from the start. Players have to pass physicals to be traded. Hakeem, Cato, and Collier are all 3 injured right now, and for each of them it will probably be about that "one week or more" that Clutch talked about before they are healthy enough to pass a physical. Because of this, I really think one of these 3 IS involved in this trade somewhere. ------------------ President of the Jason Collier and Mo Taylor fan club! Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
It could very well be Bo Outlaw the guy we are trading for(Those "I was in the mall and overheard a guy in a cellphone"stories are gonna become very popular if this goes down),but I just think it has more to do with phoenix from the things clutch has said since last night. So now dreamcasters,get your butt to realgm and start working with those trade scenarios ------------------ President of the Wink fan club and treasurer of the Moochie Norris fan club!!
The Grizzlies are looking to dump payroll, and are rumored to have both Reeves and Rahim in the same package. The reason they would like Olajuwon perhaps would be because he is in the last year of his contract. We can also give them picks this year and next, which is another thing they want. Just stating what I think.. ------------------
I say Boston are willing to trade just as much as Vancouver.... So can u guys PLEASE find a way to workout something like: Bibby, Walt, and Los to Boston Hakeem and Paul Pierce to Vancouver Reef, Grant Long and (cap filler) to Hou Can anyone work something out with this scenario? ------------------
I know it doesn't make sense to trade SAR just to create cap space. But it would make sense if Big Country went with him. As others have asked on the BBS, Is it worth it to take on Big Country's contract if we land SAR? If yes, then we hope CD works some magic with the big Okie. He'd be thrilled to be close to home. I seriously, seriously believe in a Vancouver deal. Many reasons. Some I've mentioned. Hakeem's "injury." (He suddenly gets worse. He suddenly gets better.) Walt's "flu." Collier's fluctuating return date. The Grizz will lose about 25 million bucks in revenue this year. They're bleeding red. The new owner isn't thrilled by this. St. Louis is looking better and better to him. But, in the meantime, the Grizz are in the Pacific...er, can't say Northwest. The Canadian Southwest. The Grizz will have a high draft pick (top 5, most likely). If they make a deal with us and grab Hakeem, they get more draft picks in a deep draft. Other possibilities arise. Hottoddie's proposed trade. Fizer in Vancouver? One of the picks grabbed from us could get Tinsley. Reunite those players. Vancouver's high draft pick could grab Mr. Chinese Center. One of the stipulations in allowing him to enter the NBA draft (this according to ESPN the Magazine's article) is that the center land in a city with a large Chinese population (or, at least, a sizable Chinese pop.) Hakeem could teach the young man a thing or two. Vancouver's team could either stay put, or, down the road, move to St. Louis or wherever. I know, I know, it's true that going overboard in all this gets us nowhere; this could be a next-to-nothing deal. I think it's Shareef and Othella. I like your creativity, Hottoddie, because, as someone stuck with Chicago games here in Iowa City, I know that the Bulls MUST make a move for a real center and a real point guard. Bait? Fizer, Crawford, Artest, Miller. Sorry to all you non-speculators out there. I guess we'll have answers soon enough. ------------------
I've seen a lot of crazy stuff in this thread, multiple teams, guys choking at Gabby's ( why would anyone with the Rockets eat at GAbby's instead of Good Company or someplace with decent barbecue?)I haven't seen this, simple yet blockbuster deal suggested. I ran it through Real Gm and it works: Walt and Dream for Reeves, Rahim, and Harrington. I have seen all of these names mentioned, but not this combo. Almost none of these speculated trades make much sense, this one included, because we lose Dream's cap room unless you like Abdur Raheem better than C. Webb (which I do), or you assume C. Webb is going somewhere else (which I do). j ------------------
Jerome Williams is a great rebounder and a good defender and I would love to have him on the Rockets.My main concern is what if Taylor decides to leave at the end of the season.Although KT is undersized,he can score more points than Jerome Williams.A combination of KT and J.Williams will not be enough to get sufficient points from the power forward position,and we might have to look for another power forward in the draft,if that happens then it might be possible to trade KT for a small forward. I would also like to know what can we realistically get for trading Cato.I think he is a very good shot blocker but is foul prone,his rebounding is weak,and he can't catch the ball cleanly which is my main concern with him.However a number of teams in the Eastern Conference could use Cato for his shot blocking ablity. ------------------
Silent j, By making the trade with Vancouver, whether it be your scenario or mine, would give us a team of: C: Reeves/Collier PF: MO/Othella/KT SF: Shareef/Bull/Langhi SG: Anderson/Mobley PG: Francis/Moochie With your scenario just add Cato/LOS to our roster. With the draft coming up, we could package one of the PF's, our #1 pick, & Milwaukee's owed #1 pick (which it looks like we might be getting this year), in order to trade up in the draft to get one of the better centers if necessary. Another thing, with your scenario, it wouldn't leave us much if any salary to resign MO. With mine, we get a trade exception $3.4 million. I'm not sure about this, but if we can combine it with the current exception of 2+ million from the Drew trade, we should have enough to resign MO. Then, all we need is for Shandon to wait one more year for his big pay raise, so that we have his bird rights. My point is that we would have an awesome starting nucleus with depth at positions 1-4. The center spot would be the only one that might need to be improved, unless CD & Larry Smith can improve on Reeves game. If that happens, WOW! ------------------
