Bo Outlaw would fit well for the Rockets, but if that is legit, I don't understand it from the Magic's perspective at all. Bullard is just like Pat Garrity, a player they already have who is a lights out tall forward shooter. And Collier is just like Amaechi and Doleac, an outside shooting big man. In fact, the player many compared Collier to before the draft was Michael Doleac. I could see us being interested in Outlaw; but why on earth the Magic (considering their roster) would be interested in Bullard and Collier I don't know. ------------------ President of the Jason Collier and Mo Taylor fan club! Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited January 07, 2001).]
Check out this quote: "I don't know if you consider them bad offers or insults or something like that. Just call them things you aren't interested in looking at." -- Vancouver Grizzlies GM Billy Knight, on the trade rumors surrounding Shareef Abdur-Rahim. I guess no one is making any Blockbuster offers! Maybe CD is spinning a little magic and making Mr. Knight think salery cap room and what ever else he is offering is as good as it gets. ------------------
How can you trade someone who is not on your team? Miller is no longer a Rocket. Old School ------------------ I voted YES!
I was just reading the article referred to on the front page regarding the Chicago pick we received for Bryce Drew. The way the conditions of the pick work, Chicago can't trade their first round pick until they prove they won't be in the bottom twenty in the next draft. Chicago obviously wants SAR from Vancouver, and Vancouver wants first round draft picks as part of the deal. Chicago might need to work a deal with Houston to spring free their first round pick. Vancouver also wants to dump Othella and Reeves, so Othella could be in this deal. Chicago is also getting tired of their rookies, so they could unload one. Enter Othella or Fizer or someone who is worth someone on our team and Chicago's pick they owe us. ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know...
Sherlock, Houston also owes a pick to Vancouver from the Francis trade, so there is yet another angle that could be explored. Mango ------------------ Lets get the Mo Go working! Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated!
This has probably been mentioned already, but I don't feel like reading through a million posts. I can't see SAR landing in Portland. Another scoring superstar? That is not what they need. Portland might want him, but I can't see another superstar wanting to go there. There are simply not enough shots to go around. Phoenix and Houston are really the only teams I can see getting him. (Why weren't we listed on that poll??) We are NOT a "rebuilding" team. As someone mentioned above, a rebuilding team is the Bulls and Celtics of the league. We are definitely a team on the rise. If SAR some here, we're in the playoffs, and he knows it. Besides that, RudyT loves him, and he loves RudyT. Reeves is NOT worth his salary, but he is worth taking on with SAR. His numbers are not stellar, but they are decent and what we need from a center. Hell, with CD here, and being out of Vancouver, and being close to home, I wouldn't be suprised if Reeves got even better. As for Vancouver, they might be trying to get worse (yup, I said worse) simply to make their case for relocation even better. Or trading SAR for Olajuwon could be an opposite ploy to put more butts in the seats in a last ditch effort to get out of the red. If that didn't work, and more butts didn't get in the seats, they would still be worse off, thus making the case for relocation. They continue to suck, they get draft picks, they move and completely start over. Sorry for the rambling nature of this, but it is 3AM and I'm tired. ------------------ "Salt Lake City, Utah. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany." --Olaju-Won Kenobi, to young jedi Steve (Fran)'chiseWalker
Hey Clutch, I've already asked this question once & haven't gotten an answer yet, so, in case it's buried too deep in this thread now, I'll ask it again. Is the player that was implied about, someone that will cause a similar form of excitement in this city that the trades of Drexler, Barkley, Francis, & Quitten (before his brain fart) did? Puleeeeease give us a hint. Answering this question won't be telling us who it is, so you & the BBS won't get in trouble. It'll just fan the flames of this thread or maybe slow it down. ------------------
houston trades: Kelvin Cato $5,333,333 to nets (BYC Value $2,666,667) houston trades: Kenny Thomas $885,120 to nets houston trades: Walt Williams $4,250,000 to nets TOTAL: $10,468,453 nets trades: Jamie Feick $2,200,000 to houston nets trades: Keith Van Horn $9,000,000 to houston (BYC Value $4,500,000) TOTAL: $11,200,000 TRADE DECLINED There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to houston and nets being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. houston and nets had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (neither met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Can anyone somehow make this work? I would love to have Fieck and Van on our team. Our lineup: Hakeem, Collier Taylor, Fieck Van Horn, Langhi Shandon, Mobes Francis, Moochie NJ lineup: Cato, Jim Mclivane Kenyon, Kenny Walt, Kendall Kerry, Kendall Marbury Of course Kerry and Fieck are injured..... ------------------ SUCK POLICE!!!!!! To point out individuals or teams that have managed to reach the pinnacle of SUCKINESS!!!!! ----- JAZZ SUCK!!!!!!!
Would you guys do a Hakeem for Juwan Howard? Don't forget that before the Wizards started tinkering with the team, Juwan was supposed to be the next MVP of the league. Somewhere along the way, he got lost in the mix. I think that under different circumstances Juwan Howard can pull out a Chris Webber move! Remember that Webber wasn't that welcomed in Washington any more, then the Kings trade came up. There is a reason the the Wizards held Howard in higher regards than Webber. Maybe a change of secenery is all that Howard needs! Oh and remember that Howards career went into a down spin since that bloched Miami spectacle. Before that Howard was awsome are demanding the maximum. One thing is clear, Howard does make the Rockets younger! I'd pull the trigger on this trade if the Wizards. ------------------ The guns are cocked and the soldiers are in place, it's time to march and let the battles decide the war.
Wow, I just read my last post. Sorry about the typos. I was typing too fast!! But, again I'd do the Howard for Hakeem trade. ------------------ The guns are cocked and the soldiers are in place, it's time to march and let the battles decide the war.
The Grizzlies keep complaining that they don't have a vocal leader... of course Dream isn't a vocal leader. Maybe the delay is Charles getting back into game shape. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver.
Walt won't be leaving because that wouldn't work in a trade scenario with Vancouver. Othella won't be coming for the same reason. And, if we get Reeves, you may as well kiss Mo T goodbye because we will have used up all of our cap space on Big Country. For that matter, re-signing Anderson and Moochie Norris could be difficult with Reeves contract. I love Reef, but is he worth no free agents for the next 3 seasons? How do we improve our small forward position if we are unable to acquire one in the draft? What do we do with 3 stiff centers, two of which are sucking our salary cap dry but only one of which (Cato) has trade value and he may be the only one worth keeping? If Thomas is in the deal and Taylor can't be re-signed, who becomes our back up PF? If Norris goes and Anderson goes, who do we draft and how do we fill their holes? You see the problems inherent in taking on that type of trade? I mean, if it were just Hakeem for Rahim and a couple of other players that filled holes and/or maybe were free agents after this season, I could possibly see it. But, this way could cost us every bit of flexibility Hakeem's contract gives us and I'm not sure that is worth it. ------------------ The way to use life is to do nothing through acting, The way to use life is to do everything through being. - Lao-Tzu
Jeff, houston trades: Walt Williams $4,250,000 to vancouver houston trades: Hakeem Olajuwon $16,700,000 to vancouver TOTAL: $20,950,000 vancouver trades: Othella Harrington $2,250,000 to houston vancouver trades: Shareef Abdur-Rahim $10,125,000 to houston (BYC Value $7,593,750) vancouver trades: Bryant Reeves $10,110,000 to houston TOTAL: $22,485,000 TRADE ACCEPTED It works. Would we be giving up that much? I´m not so sure. Shandon can wait another year for his bird rights. The only problem is that his minutes at the 3 spot will be gone if SAR arrives, and that may led him to leave. But he could split his minutes between the 2 and 3, i suppose. I don´t think that flexibility and cap are worth all the hype anymore. It doesn´t mean anything. The truth is, players get where they WANT to be, regardless of cap or not. Just look at Brian Grant, and Webber to NY next year, i suppose. We can get a center in the draft. I think it´s worth it. Now Mo, on the other hand, is a tricky subject. How long till he as bird rights with us? Could he care enough for the franchise to accept next year´s 4.5 mil exception? That´s the only part i´m scared of. I´m not afraid of a Cato/Reeves/Collier combo. Not if that means having Reef at the 3. ------------------ "I have posted so much that what I say must be true"
Personally, I place SAR in the same boat as Webber and Finley, or any other marquee free agent for that matter. If we could get Harrington, Reeves and SAR for Dream/Draft picks/throw-in, then I'd be more than happy about our squad for years to come, even with losing Taylor. I think Anderson and Mooch would stick around for at least one more year. Lineup (age) PG-Francis (24)/Norris (27) SG-Anderson (27)/Mobley (26) SF-SAR (24)/Walt (30)/Langhi (23) PF-Harrington (27)/Thomas (23) C-Cato (26)/Reeves (27)/Collier (23) That to me is a contending lineup in a few years, if not next year. ------------------ "He was under more balls than a midget hooker."-Bobby Hill visit www.swirve.com, coming January 20th, the top 10 films of 2000! and, http://www.geocities.com/clutch34_2000 for great Rocket insight by some of your fellow BBS posters!
Agreed, Rocketman. And i do believe we could dump salary, say Cato (who is probably our hotest commodity in that scenario), for a player in the last year of his contract, and thus, freeing up the necessary cap to resign Mo. Just get ´Reef in the house. We can worry about the rest later. He has even said that he could play EITHER forward spot, if it comes to that. Meaning that if we lost Mo, Shandon could see a lot of time at the 3, which he is proving lately to be quite capable of, IHMO. Dumping Cato can´t be that difficult. We could send KT as an added bonus to the package. Draft a center and we´re set for years to come. ------------------ "I have posted so much that what I say must be true" [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited January 08, 2001).]
RM95, Steve is 22. Other than that I agree completely with everything you said. ------------------ "Thirty-seven?" -Randall, Clerks www.clutchtown.com
Juwon would normally fit in well for us at SF, but the contract would kill us in terms of Free agency. As it would anyone else. Any trade with Dream is going to be for Rahim. Jordan has worked his tail off, but he can't convince anyone to take on Howard. Geiger is out because of injuries, but a month ago... Fizer won't be a rocket, but he may be in another uniform. That wouldn't surpise me at all. Indiana won't trade until Smits signs on the dotted line. Once he signs, that knocks Houston out of any kind of trade scenario ------------------ humble, but hungry.
Thanos, if you have Reeves' and Rahim's contracts, dumping Cato's contract won't get you any cap relief. However, I don't see why we couldn't trade Cato for someone (who can rebound) instead of just dumping the contract for a guy who will walk. ------------------ RealGM Rockets Draft Obligations Summary http://www.gaffordstudios.cjb.net/
Why? Not asking to be a smart-aleck; just asking because I don't know the answer ... Jeff, thank you for making this point. The thing that has always worried me about taking on both 'Reef and Big Country's salaries is: Will this make it impossible for us to cough up the dough to re-sign Mo and/or Shandon? I'm not a capologist -- maybe there's a way -- but I don't see how we can afford 'Reef, Reeves, Mo, Shandon, Cat, and -- oh yeah -- Francis is going to get the max eventually ... RM95's lineup worries me for three reasons. 1) I don't think Othella or Cato are starters (at the same time -- maybe one or the other is OK) on a championship team. We can have a mediocre center or PF and win the West -- but not both. 2) We might lose Shandon also, so what happens to our 1-2-3 punch at guard? 3) Reeves does not fit into our current fast-paced, draw the opposing center out of the lane system. For those of you who loved how Matt Maloney's contract tied our hands, you'll love what Reeves' does to our maneuverability. Bottom line: I still say we're getting a role player, not a superstar. If something happens ... ------------------ [This message has been edited by wrath_of_khan (edited January 08, 2001).]
Jeff´s comments probably mean that the deal is NOT for SAR, Reeves and Othella. If Clutch knows, i suppose Jeff must know too. He would be playing too much of a devil´s advocate to point out the flaws in this deal if it was the one we supposedely have a handshake agreement on. What then? I have no clue. damn! One question though... isn´t the cap supposed to INCREASE next year? Even with that increase and say, dumping cato, KT and ´LOS for guys on their last years, we still would be unable to offer a sizable amount to Mo? The bottom line of that deal is: if Shandon waits another year and Mo can accept the 4.5 mil exception, in case what i mentioned above is NOT valid, the deal is a no brainer. If that is not the case, i agree. We cannot win with a Cato/Othella combo. Even with Reef at the 3. ------------------ "I have posted so much that what I say must be true"
