Give us a break. He wasn't, "silenced." He was given far more leeway with that thread than I would ever have expected here. He had nothing to add to his original, "scoop," and Clutch made clear that if there were anything more to it, he could post it. With all due respect, silenced my ass.
I havent seen a lot of Minm, but the few times I did, he was consistently scrapping for Reb's and put-backs...swiping at the ball for steals...and in my opinion serves as a legitimate inside presence on both the defensive and offensive ends. While he's not Deke in his better days, no one's going to just walk over him. I think he would be an upgrade in terms of all the many little things he brings to table as a opposed to J How whose output has dropped to the PF that hits the occasional 15'-18' shot and grab 5 rebs. ( I know this is a slight exaggeration,but my point is he has no hustle) Losing Head in this would hurt though. I would hope they can resist giving him up because I think he will be a solid contibutor to this team if he were to stick around in the future. But I know he would have to go if we are to be blessed with the lose the unwanted pounds in Howard. THis is a very realistic trade idea.
I watched Mihm many times the Year Rudy took over the Lakers Job and I would say yours is a fairly accurate description of him. I too would hate to lose Head but as much as people are screaming Mihm sucks over here and they need to give us Odom too. On a Lakers board they are screaming Howard sucks and they need to throw in Battier. So I don't see Mihm for Howard happening unless we give up something else. If that can be couple of second round picks and some cash instead that great. I know this trade doesn't have the glamour of it as a Howard for Gooden or Howard for Jefferies but as you said it is realistic and it serves a great purpose in ridding ourselves of Howard.
Mihm is actually a pretty decent center - he has a decent midrange jumper, does a fair job on the boards, and can block shots. He gets a bum rap because he gets no respect from the refs and winds up in early foul trouble alot. That started to change ofter Phil made a point of talking about it in the press last season. the only reason LA would consider dealing him is because it's acontract year, and they want to give the minutes to Bynum. But he has a lot more value than Howard, and it's unlikely that the Lakers would deal Mihm just for Howard - he has been more aggressively pursued by others for deals with greater value to the Lakers.
I couldn't disagree with you more. Juwan always put his best in, though he needs the ball on offense to be effective. He still can score, it was proven when Tracy and Yao was out, and it was even more proven when he did it efficiently. Getting some plays for him inside wouldn't hurt. You are considering Juwan a guy you can just walk right over. He's not like that, as for Mihm...did you watch that Seattle game when Wilcox kept on dunking on him? It shows a certain toughness from Mihm to keep on trying to block him, yet keep on getting dunked on, however he's not a good fit next to Yao. Juwan is not a great fi there, but he's better than Mihm. On top of that, luther and mckie as throw-ins is a terrible scenario. Again, the trade idea is awful and it won't happen.
EXACTLY MY THINKING TOO! TRUE..WE'RE GETTING LESS VALUE BUT SERVICABLE BACK-UPS IN MIHM AND MCKIE HOWEVER INSTEAD OF BEING TIED UP WITH J-HO (7M) FOR THE NEXT 3 YEARS, WE'LL HAVE A 7M TO SIGN A FREEAGENT NEXT YEAR. MAYBE... 7M: = (+/-) ANDERSON VAREJAO; DESMOND MASON; BORIS DIAW!! 7M: SIGN &TRADE = CUTINO MOBLEY, MAGGETTE; EARL WATSON, ARTEST! HE'S A HEADCASE BUT BANG FOR THE BUCK..HES GETTING PAID RIGHT ABOUT 7M 7M+5MLE SIGN AND TRADE = GILBERT ARENAS!YEAH RIGHT ..RAY ALLEN; RASHAD LEWIS..UNHAPPY AT SEATTLE;LAMAR ODOM...ETC THE POINT IS IT WILL GIVE ROCKETS FLEXIBILITY: FOR THE FOLLOWING YEARS...WE JUST HAVE TO SUCK IT UP THIS YEAR. THEY'RE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO COMPETE FOR CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR ANYWAYS. THEY CAN CREATE NOISE THOUGH! GO ROCKETS!!! MCYAO007
Turn off your caps lock. Then look up something about the salary cap, which we're way above even without Juwan's contract. Then look up exceptions like the MLE and how they work. Then look up free agency, and see how sign and trade's work actually work. You know what? Forget it. Just do the world a favor and kill yourself.
What do you guys think about this trade? Do you think the lakers would bite on it?? They lose Odom but they gain it back with rafer who is a real PG, Luther Head a great guy to come in and give Kobe and Smush Parker a breather, and Juwan Howard to help out with the youngsters mihm, cook, and kwame brown with his vetern leadership. On the other side we have Lamar to help open up the floor, and give us a better inside presense, get on the boards and compliment tracy and yao. Luke Walton to come off the bench and give tmac, odom, or battier a breather and provide some sort of spark. Lakers Trade Breakdown Outgoing Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island 14.8 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.5 apg in 40.3 minutes Luke Walton 6-8 SF from Arizona 5.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 19.3 minutes Incoming Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 11.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.7 minutes Rafer Alston 6-2 PG from Frenso State 12.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.6 minutes Luther Head 6-3 PG from Illinois 8.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 28.9 minutes Change in team outlook: +12.9 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and +3.1 apg. Houston Trade Breakdown Outgoing Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 11.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.7 minutes Rafer Alston 6-2 PG from Frenso State 12.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.6 minutes Luther Head 6-3 PG from Illinois 8.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 28.9 minutes Incoming Lamar Odom 6-10 SF from Rhode Island 14.8 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.5 apg in 40.3 minutes Luke Walton 6-8 SF from Arizona 5.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 19.3 minutes Change in team outlook: -12.9 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -3.1 apg. Successful Scenario Due to L.A. Lakers and Houston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Houston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
^rocket guy I duno if the Lakers would do this trade, but I probably wouldn't. We trade our only pg currently under contract, an up and coming but smallish combo guard, and our backup pf w/ a bloated contract. We get 2 SF's, the same position that we have the most depth at w/ TMac, novak, and battier/snyder capable of sliding in when not playing pf/sg. From a talent standpoint, its a good trade for us, but not from a need standpoint. We dont have the luxury of trading away our starting pg and 2nd string sg for backup SF's until we get some more backcourt depth.
Since we had the other thread locked for serveral reasons i will post here, i have some new details of the trade Chris Mihm and Aaron McKie is involved the Rockets would send Juwan Howard and possibly Luther Head to the Lakers - Lamar Odom is not involved From my understanding this trade could be done by the end of the week that is all for now.
Cool... I'd rather keep Luther if possible, and throw some other consideration at the Lakers. However, he seems to be the kind of guard that would fit into the triangle. Disciplined player, good shooter, clutch.. Sometimes, you gotta give Head in this business to make things happen.
I don't understand why anyone would think Odom would be a part of this trade. First of all, there isn't anyone available on the Rox that the Lakers could get for Odom that would make it worthwhile to them. Secondly, just the fact they are willing to take JHo off the Rox hands makes the Rox happy regardless who they get in return. LakerPride, you say this is some new details of the trade talk, are you getting this as an update today? Does that mean you are talking to your "source" throughout the day?
That's a really bad trade for the rockets, so I fully expect CD to sign off on it. But really, it'd be much better for us if we could throw in a 2nd round pick instead of Luther. Or if we got Cook in place of McKie, that would work. Otherwise, I really don't like this trade.
Sorry about the caps lock! By ridding J-ho's contract we'll have $46 locked up salary next year which is about 7M below next year's inflated salary cap! True , I don't know if you can sign, combine then trade MLE. Enlighten me please. The guys I mentioned are either free-agent nextyear, at 7-8M salary range which is trade-consumable. Is it possible to merge the two and sign/trade for somebody at 12-13M range? Anyone? You don't have to go ballistic about my post by the way. It's my first one..again, sorry about the caps lock and I'm not going to kill myself just because you're so intelligent about trade/nba salary matters that you get pissed off with a rookie-posters like me. I still think I'm right about the salary caps
I think odom can be a above decent PG. Since Van Gundy only uses a minimum amount of players why not have a stronger front line and just 2 or 3 great role players. 1 Odom/Sura/JLIII 2.Snyder/Sura/Walton/Bowen 3.McGrady/Walton/Novak/Bowen 4.Battier/Hayes/Novak 5.Yao/Mutombo/Lampe
AggieRocket - Yes me and my source have been talking on the phone. pretty much i only got the details of whos involved and who could possibly be involved ( Luther Head ). i will keep you guys updated as soon as possible.
