Trade Harden

RocketsTruth · May 12, 2017

Ingram, D'Angello Rusell and Markelle Fultz for Harden

BallSoHarden · May 12, 2017

Reeko said: ↑

D'angelo Russell and 2 lottery tickets doesn't do it for me, sorry. You're getting rid of Harden to add horrible contracts in Deng or Mozgov to our books, and u want to tank with vets like Ryno, Bev, Lou, Gordon, and Ariza still on the roster. I'm sure that will go over well...

This is where y'all kill me. Y'all make it seem like it's so easy to get a star, especially a star that's on Harden's level. It's not easy. It's incredibly difficult and requires a lot of luck. Do u know how lucky we were to get Harden? The only reason we got to trade for Harden is because both the Wizards and Warriors passed on him and told OKC nah. That allowed Morey to swoop in. If Washington was willing to give up Beal or GS was willing to give up Klay, then Harden would've never worn a Rockets uniform. Even after we got him, nobody expected him to become this good. We could go another decade without getting a player on his level. We could be stuck in mediocrity for years.
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Obviously in a rebuild you trade away the other players on the roster that can return draft picks / younger players. You wouldn't keep Ariza, Bev, Gordon since they have positive value and can easily be moved. I would wait one more year anyways, and some of those guys will be on their last year. The lakers are just an example of the type of deal I would explore next summer. Yes, a 22 year old James Harden who ended up being the center piece of a franchise is an extremely rare find. A 28/29 year old James Harden who has displayed his peak and his abilities in the playoffs against a team who is disciplined and doesn't foul / in a league that officiates differently in the playoffs is not as valuable. Never said we are guaranteed to find another 22 year old Harden, I think it's almost time to start looking at the odds of actually winning with Harden as the best player or try to maximize a return given the information you now have. We aren't talking about a pre-championship Lebron James, where you know he is the best player and you need to build around him. We are talking about a player coming into his 9th season in the NBA and understanding his limitations and recognizing his peak. We have a good owner and a good GM, I don't think we would be in mediocrity for long.

xtruroyaltyx · May 12, 2017

If you trade aharden might as well fire Dantoni too.

At this point I'd be ok with it because I don't believe in James Harden. And I think that he might bolt to play with another star when his contract is up anyways.

I'd trade him to LA for a top lottery pick (preferably this year's if they end up top 3) and a few of their good young players.

Then let LA get Paul George and see if they can win a ring together and let magic feel good for a couple years.

RocketsTruth · May 12, 2017

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Talented teammates?
This thread has to be some kind of joke or emotional banter. This is exactly what I am going to take this as.
This is Harden's team until he demands a trade. Did anyone actually think this team as constructed was going to win the NBA Finals. I have no idea what drugs anyone took but this team was not going to get anywhere near there. The fact that we made it to the Semifinals or playoffs even was an F'n shocker. This team has exceeded all my expectations. This team can not win with Ryan Anderson as their main option at PF, a young Clint Capella as their main center and no one else playing legit wing defence except for Ariza and Beverly. What we need is an Owner who is willing to keep this team intact as much as possible and pay for a couple legit Superstars to play with our Star before it is over. James Harden does not completely depend on Athleticism. He will be good for a while. What we need is to get him legit help and stop looking into the bargaining bin. Lebron is playing with two other Super Stars and has a bunch of well paid role players. GS has a bunch of studs and besides Zaza is stacked with Stars. Heck the Spurs are stacked with talent. No team besides Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets in 93-94 has ever won a ring with just one legit Star. None! But even then they had a young Big Shot Bob. A young Sam Cassell who would became an allstar. Don't forget Otis thorpe who was sooooo good that Portland was willing to send us Drexler for him. So people with the trade Harden talk need to take down a few Xanax pills a few shots of whiskey and hope Les is willing to throw Money down this offseason. Before anyone makes anymore comments about trading Harden breathe look at this roster, look at the payroll and realize there was no way we were winning a ring with a 90 mil dollar team. You can not bargain your way to a title in this day and age. It takes deep pockets willing to spend and smart investments.
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I have no hope Les will spend money,. Harden deserves better. Pair him up with Magic Johnson so i can see him win a ring as a leader, and not a ring chaser.

This is why i want Russell, and Brandon Ingram, plus their 2017 and 2019 first rounder, throw in mozgov for harden and gordon. We should keep the young guys like dekker and onauku, and be like okc( circa 2012). I think D'Angelo Russell has some harden-lite potential, and we can use that 2017 first rounder on fultz and make him our new pg

RocketsTruth · May 12, 2017

xtruroyaltyx said: ↑

If you trade aharden might as well fire Dantoni too.

At this point I'd be ok with it because I don't believe in James Harden. And I think that he might bolt to play with another star when his contract is up anyways.

I'd trade him to LA for a top lottery pick (preferably this year's if they end up top 3) and a few of their good young players.

Then let LA get Paul George and see if they can win a ring together and let magic feel good for a couple years.
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I want to keep dantoni, i think his system is perfect for players like d'angelo russell and fultz, brandon ingram could also benefit playing under jeff bzedlik and becoming a god defensive wing

xtruroyaltyx · May 12, 2017

Trading Harden would be unorthodox but I think it could actually be highly beneficial.

Jayzers_100 · May 12, 2017

tycoonchip said: ↑

Talented teammates?
This thread has to be some kind of joke or emotional banter. This is exactly what I am going to take this as.
This is Harden's team until he demands a trade. Did anyone actually think this team as constructed was going to win the NBA Finals. I have no idea what drugs anyone took but this team was not going to get anywhere near there. The fact that we made it to the Semifinals or playoffs even was an F'n shocker. This team has exceeded all my expectations. This team can not win with Ryan Anderson as their main option at PF, a young Clint Capella as their main center and no one else playing legit wing defence except for Ariza and Beverly. What we need is an Owner who is willing to keep this team intact as much as possible and pay for a couple legit Superstars to play with our Star before it is over. James Harden does not completely depend on Athleticism. He will be good for a while. What we need is to get him legit help and stop looking into the bargaining bin. Lebron is playing with two other Super Stars and has a bunch of well paid role players. GS has a bunch of studs and besides Zaza is stacked with Stars. Heck the Spurs are stacked with talent. No team besides Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets in 93-94 has ever won a ring with just one legit Star. None! But even then they had a young Big Shot Bob. A young Sam Cassell who would became an allstar. Don't forget Otis thorpe who was sooooo good that Portland was willing to send us Drexler for him. So people with the trade Harden talk need to take down a few Xanax pills a few shots of whiskey and hope Les is willing to throw Money down this offseason. Before anyone makes anymore comments about trading Harden breathe look at this roster, look at the payroll and realize there was no way we were winning a ring with a 90 mil dollar team. You can not bargain your way to a title in this day and age. It takes deep pockets willing to spend and smart investments.
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Thank you for being a voice of reason!

Asian Sensation · May 12, 2017

tycoonchip said: ↑

Talented teammates?
This thread has to be some kind of joke or emotional banter. This is exactly what I am going to take this as.
This is Harden's team until he demands a trade. Did anyone actually think this team as constructed was going to win the NBA Finals. I have no idea what drugs anyone took but this team was not going to get anywhere near there. The fact that we made it to the Semifinals or playoffs even was an F'n shocker. This team has exceeded all my expectations. This team can not win with Ryan Anderson as their main option at PF, a young Clint Capella as their main center and no one else playing legit wing defence except for Ariza and Beverly. What we need is an Owner who is willing to keep this team intact as much as possible and pay for a couple legit Superstars to play with our Star before it is over. James Harden does not completely depend on Athleticism. He will be good for a while. What we need is to get him legit help and stop looking into the bargaining bin. Lebron is playing with two other Super Stars and has a bunch of well paid role players. GS has a bunch of studs and besides Zaza is stacked with Stars. Heck the Spurs are stacked with talent. No team besides Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets in 93-94 has ever won a ring with just one legit Star. None! But even then they had a young Big Shot Bob. A young Sam Cassell who would became an allstar. Don't forget Otis thorpe who was sooooo good that Portland was willing to send us Drexler for him. So people with the trade Harden talk need to take down a few Xanax pills a few shots of whiskey and hope Les is willing to throw Money down this offseason. Before anyone makes anymore comments about trading Harden breathe look at this roster, look at the payroll and realize there was no way we were winning a ring with a 90 mil dollar team. You can not bargain your way to a title in this day and age. It takes deep pockets willing to spend and smart investments.
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We did not lose because of Capela, or Beverley, or Gordon, or cause we lost Nene or even overpaid/under achieving Ryno or inconsistent Louis. Those guys are role players. They played well enough and contributed enough at different times. They're role players cause they're not consistent but to say they're not talented? You've gotta be kidding me.

We lost cause our leader didn't lead. The supposed MVP/ best player in the league and this series couldn't capitalize on an old ass/injured Spurs team with their best player missing. Instead James got schooled by a soon to be 40 year old Manu running on fumes and a guy that barely made the cut. It would be the equivalent of JET Terry getting the better of Steph Curry.

James had and played with another Superstar. He actually brought his A game and did everything he could against Portland while Harden was getting handled by Wes Matthews and calling reporters weirdos since he was frustrated.

What's most frustrating is not the fact that we lost. It's how we lost and who we lost to. A blowout in game 6 at home against the Spurs without 2 of their starters and their best player/MVP candidate. We got blown out by SA's B squad when we fans legit thought we could beat them even when they were fully healthy before the series began and even the fair share of the media picked us to win the series. For good reason.... we have a lot of weapons.

You put Westbrook, Lillard, McCollum, Greek Freak, Derozan, Wall, Thomas, Hayward or any other similar main option in the same position as Harden heading into the 4th quarter of game 5 and OT they would've capitalized. More than half of them would've finished the series at home and led them to the WCF. NONE of them would've thrown up a pathetic gutless dud like Harden did tonight. Seriously, old ass Ginoboli and a guy that barely made the league that started 8 games all year and averaged 6 points 2 boards and 1 assist.

I think I'm reasonable and forgiving but this has happened over and over and over again. So many blown opportunites. Inexcusable man.

hakeemthagreat · May 12, 2017

Reeko said: ↑

What would u trade Harden for? And please, try to be realistic, so no dumb sh*t like Harden for Lebron, Kawhi, KD, or Curry.
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I'd trade him for Damian Lillard

tinman · May 12, 2017

Asian Sensation said: ↑

While we still can. He's broken mentally. Ever since he choked against The Heat in the Finals when he was younger he's scarred for life. Better trade him now before he further damages his playoff reputation. I cringe at the thought of another Harden team led playoff failure. But he'll probably force his way out before then and lower his value.

He choked against the Blazers and got shut down by Wesley ****ing Matthews. Next year he got bailed out against the Mavs cause he had a better team and Mavs imploded. Next round against the Clips he was absolute trash. Pure garbage. Got bailed out by a bunch of guys no longer on this team or in this league for that matter. Blew a huge opportunity in the final seconds of early game against GSW. 2016 was a wasted year and a lost cause all around.

This year he had everything. Talented teammates that had his back, perfect system that catered to his game, a coach that he wanted and the coach trusted him. Coach gave him freedom to make the game fun and play to his strengths and then some. Then he blows a golden oppourtunity in game 5 by choking in the 4th quarter after actually playing a really good game until then. With No Kawahi in the 4th he instead gets schooled by the 2nd oldest player in the league who turns 40 in a couple months. Game 6 at home in an elimination game he had a chance to show what he's made of and shake his playoff deamons with no Kawahi again and instead he gets schooled by a dude who barely made it to the league.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I was skeptical going into this years playoffs even against the Thunder and he got bailed out again with better system, coach and teammates and he didn't particularly dominate any game or long stretch the whole series. Tonight was the final straw. I'm not falling for this **** no more.

But don't worry there will always be Harden Fanboys that will flame me and defend him till no end because of his crazy regular season numbers and talk about how great he is... when it really doesn't matter. When it matters most... The playoffs his Turnovers increase. Fact. His FG% drops significantly. Fact. Gets shut down and schooled by Matthews, Rivers, Simmons, Ginobody

Next year it's quit on the team in the regular season or flame out again in playoffs. Time to eject. It's been real.
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Brother you know we're not going to trade Harden. It's just unrealistic. The only thing I see us doing is to add another all star.

TEXNIFICENT · May 12, 2017

Asian Sensation said: ↑

We did not lose because of Capela, or Beverley, or Gordon, or cause we lost Nene or even overpaid/under achieving Ryno or inconsistent Louis. Those guys are role players. They played well enough and contributed enough at different times. They're role players cause they're not consistent but to say they're not talented? You've gotta be kidding me.

We lost cause our leader didn't lead. The supposed MVP/ best player in the league and this series couldn't capitalize on an old ass/injured Spurs team with their best player missing. Instead James got schooled by a soon to be 40 year old Manu running on fumes and a guy that barely made the cut. It would be the equivalent of JET Terry getting the better of Steph Curry.

James had and played with another Superstar. He actually brought his A game and did everything he could against Portland while Harden was getting handled by Wes Matthews and calling reporters weirdos since he was frustrated.

What's most frustrating is not the fact that we lost. It's how we lost and who we lost to. A blowout in game 6 at home against the Spurs without 2 of their starters and their best player/MVP candidate. We got blown out by SA's B squad when we fans legit thought we could beat them even when they were fully healthy before the series began and even the fair share of the media picked us to win the series. For good reason.... we have a lot of weapons.

You put Westbrook, Lillard, McCollum, Greek Freak, Derozan, Wall, Thomas, Hayward or any other similar main option in the same position as Harden heading into the 4th quarter of game 5 and OT they would've capitalized. More than half of them would've finished the series at home and led them to the WCF. NONE of them would've thrown up a pathetic gutless dud like Harden did tonight. Seriously, old ass Ginoboli and a guy that barely made the league that started 8 games all year and averaged 6 points 2 boards and 1 assist.

I think I'm reasonable and forgiving but this has happened over and over and over again. So many blown opportunites. Inexcusable man.
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Westbrook was up 3-1 in a series with Durant and didn't win. Hayward has been swept. Lillard and MCcollum swept. Derozan swept. Greek Freak donzo. Wall and Thomas playing to see who's going to lose to Cleveland.

James embarrassed himself but damn man these other cats haven't done much. In addition, MDA embarrassed himself, Ryno embarrassed himself, Capela couldn't catch a ball or dunk, Gordon was awful, Lou was planning a threeway vacay, and the squad showed zero toughness as a unit. There's enough blame for everyone.

HadToDoItCF · May 12, 2017

Mathrocker said: ↑

harden is our guy! we are all emotional but I am sick of all these dumb threads coming up. YES HE LET US ALL DOWN BUT GODAMMIT HE IS MY FAVORITE PLAYER.

He is a top 5 player in the nba. it's not time to give up on him yet. he **** the bed and he's not there yet but he is our best hope at future success. DON'T GIVE UP ON HIM. He just had the greatest offensive season in nba history...

he will mature. I am gonna necro bump some of these threads if we have playoff success in the future with harden
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Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah....

Heard "I'll bump this again" many times before regarding Harden's immaturity/TO's/bad defense. You make sure to keep your 1-year-on-the-forum roll going, and please please please bump this thread when you prove us all wrong....

Asian Sensation · May 12, 2017

TEXNIFICENT said: ↑

Westbrook was up 3-1 in a series with Durant and didn't win. Hayward has been swept. Lillard and MCcollum swept. Derozan swept. Greek Freak donzo. Wall and Thomas playing to see who's going to lose to Cleveland.

James embarrassed himself but damn man these other cats haven't done much.
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Without the opposing teams 2 starters and their best player? Playing against scrubs?

Let's flip the script here. What if Harden was the one that sprained his ankle and didn't play Q4 and OT of game 5 and out for game 6 and Bev was out. Kawahi is fully healthy and he puts up the same performance as Harden and blows two golden opportunities. Does that happen in your wildest imaginations? Hell to the mother****ing NO!

TEXNIFICENT · May 12, 2017

Asian Sensation said: ↑

Without the opposing teams 2 starters and their best player? Playing against scrubs?

Let's flip the script here. What if Harden was the one that sprained his ankle and didn't play Q4 and OT of game 5 and out for game 6 and Bev was out. Kawahi is fully healthy and he puts up the same performance as Harden and blows two golden opportunities. Does that happen in your wildest imaginations? Hell to the mother****ing NO!
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Newsflash basketball is a team game and you're making it about 1 guy. This isn't a movie, everyone has to show up to win in the playoffs. MDA got his ass handed to him in games 5 & 6. Aldridge and Gasol was allowed to shoot over chairs because D'Antoni was too stubborn not to play his bench. He wanted to guard premier post players with Harden? He wants to play fast, uptempo for 48 min with a 7 man rotation?The role players that did play didn't show any fight either. James put on a crappy performance and will be embarrassed by the basketball world today and rightfully so. But leave Kawhi out of it. Kawhi doesn't get blamed for anything even when the Spurs lose. When the Warriors spank the Spurs in 5, no one will criticize Kawhi, they'll just say the Warriors were a better team. Unfortunately for us, the Spurs have a better team and coach than we do this year.

Asian Sensation · May 12, 2017

TEXNIFICENT said: ↑

Newsflash basketball is a team game and you're making it about 1 guy. This isn't a movie, everyone has to show up to win in the playoffs. MDA got his ass handed to him in games 5 & 6. Aldridge and Gasol was allowed to shoot over chairs because D'Antoni was too stubborn not to play his bench. He wanted to guard premier post players with Harden? He wants to play fast, uptempo for 48 min with a 7 man rotation?The role players that did play didn't show any fight either. James put on a crappy performance and will be embarrassed by the basketball world today and rightfully so. But leave Kawhi out of it. Kawhi doesn't get blamed for anything even when the Spurs lose. When the Warriors spank the Spurs in 5, no one will criticize Kawhi, they'll just say the Warriors were a better team. Unfortunately for us, the Spurs have a better team and coach than we do this year.
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The Spurs even with Tony Parker and Kawhi were not a clearly better team than us. The Spurs without Parker and Kawhi were definitelty not as good as us. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Reeko · May 12, 2017

hakeemthagreat said: ↑

I'd trade him for Damian Lillard
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lol, so you'd trade Harden for Dame, a guy who has never even been to a game 6 in the 2nd round and is a worse player than Harden...

rocketsballin · May 12, 2017

harden and ryan for the best we can get, and we can get a lot with those 2, A LOT!

harden proved what he is in this game. no team is coming closet o gsw or cavs, why try with harden as the main guy? let those 2 duke it out in the finals, while we go looking for the next superstar. morey is good at finding talent. trade harden and ryan, everyone else stays. mda a good coach to get a team some playoff experience. after they go after a better coach.

And1redux · May 12, 2017

sadly, there's so much truth in this thread

hakeemthagreat · May 12, 2017

Reeko said: ↑

lol, so you'd trade Harden for Dame, a guy who has never even been to a game 6 in the 2nd round and is a worse player than Harden...
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Yes

Lillard in a MDA ran system would be incredible. I'm not shallow enough to bring up his playoff woes, because I'm smart enough to know Portland hasn't been in a playoff series where they weren't a serious underdog. The ONLY series they won was against us, and he outplayed Harden that series. Most of all, atleast we know we're getting a MAXIMUM effort from Lillard. We know he's going to try his hardest and not mail it in in a elimination game.

MorningZippo · May 12, 2017

BallSoHarden said: ↑

You essentially have the tank placeholders of Deng / Mozgov. Have a player like Russell, top 3 pick this year, and likely a top pick the following year. Either build with that, or wait a year or two and find the next Harden type trade with the assets you have and find a guy who resets the championship window. If he's 28 beginning of the season and the Warriors dominate the conference for the next 4 years, and Houston doesn't have the ability to obtain 2 more star plays, why not blow it up and reset the window?
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But are there any trades where it actually helps us, rather than setting us back multiple years?

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