Oh, suuuuuuure, DaDa voices what I've been saying (among others) for weeks, and suddenly he's a genius. In my original thought, I had proposed obtaining Odom by trading Cat and KT (2 low-salary guys for cheapskate Sterling). I don't think the Clips would go for a straight-up trade of Cat for Odom, IMO. They know we're hot for him right now. It would be great if we could get their #12 pick in that trade as well (highly unlikely, though). Then, we could either send our #15 pick to Memphis (if the trade is done before the deadline to convey picks to other teams) and nab someone like Kareem Rush with the #12 pick, or we could say, "Screw Memphis" and package both picks to move up and get Qyntel Woods (to play SG). If we employed the 2nd scenario, our lineup could look like this: Francis Woods Odom Griffin Ming Sounds good to me. A bit young and inexperienced, but if they mesh, we're looking at a probable playoff team.
Yeah, let's trade the only player on our team who can shoot for someone who can't shoot worth a lick, thus dropping the Rockets from not only the worst shooting team currently in the NBA, but to the worst shooting team of all-time!!! Sounds like a plan to me! Where the hell do y'all think the points are going to come from? You see, the reason the Rockets lost a lot of games last season, was because we didn't score as many points as the other team. It would be in the Rockets best interest to increase the amount of points scored within the course of a game rather than decrease it. Mobley is a <b>SHOOTING</b> guard. That is his JOB first and foremost, and he does a pretty damn good job of it if you ask me. Sure, it would be nice if he could play better D and make better decisions at time, but he does his primary job very well. Hell, it would be nice if every player on our team could handle the ball, shoot the three, get rebounds, take the ball hard to the basket, play good defense, create off the dribble, make tough passes, block shots, make smart decisions, but that's unrealistic. He's the 2nd best player on our crappy team. It doesn't make much sense to trade him for someone who can't score like him. And someone explain to me how Odom is so much better of a decision maker than Cat when Odom is right at the top in turnovers year in and year out. Get a clue! I can't believe some of the same people who complain about Steve and Cat's decision making and turnovers are the same people saying we should get Odom. That's some backwards logic, my friends.
Today's ESPN Insider talked about Caron Butler stunning the Rockets, Knicks, and Grizz in his workouts. Perimeter defense, ballhandling, 3-pt shot, NBA body, ready to contribute now. I want Butler and a center. Use the exception to get Lee Nailon. Make it so.
No it isn't. The Clippers have Quentin Richardson, Corey Maggette and Eric Piatkowski playing the 2. The last thing they need is a shooting guard. If you want to pry Odom out of the Clippers hands you will have to significantly improve their weakest position, pg. The 2 is probably one of their strongest and deepest. The only way Odom becomes of a Rocket must involve the #1 pick.
I say ditch Francis and Mobley for Jay Williams rights and Odom. It would be cheaper in the short term since Francis wants to max out.
One problem...The clippers do not need another shooting guard. Also, do you think Odom would resign after this team just traded his friend and former teamate. It's like the Houston Astros trading John Halama and Freddy Garcia for Randy Johnson. You rent a pitcher for a year sacrificing young talent that are now surfacing as solid pitchers...stupid deal. Cat has to stay on this team. We do not have a lot of players that can shoot on the run. Cat is excellent at it. Keep Cat cause he is a big piece to the puzzle...hands down.
Jev, I think any player would stay if the team was winning, and I think the Rockets would be better off with Odom then Mobley. We need TALL talented players.....especially since our PG can not guard anyone. DaDakota
I say trade Francis OR Cuttino. Trading both would be too big of a change.. Cuttino may make Steve redundant or vice versa, but you need one guy on the team like that. I do favor Steve over Cuttino, but Steve would command alot more in a trade, imo. Cuttino is more than a serviceable shooting guard. But, is it realistic to even think of trading either one of these guys? Steve just represented us in the lottery. That would be awkward, to say the least.
Even if the Rockets somehow get Odom, I have a feeling that Rudy will just have Odom stand around the 3 point line like Griffen or Pippen. I hope Rudy develops an offense this off season, otherwise it doesn't matter who is on this team. I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I would like to see a coach come in who can discipline these players and not have this Homer/Gomer Pyle "aw shucks" mentality like Rudy. How about Jon Thompson? He has been great at developing big men at G'town and could really help out Ming. Just a thought.
Imagine a front line of Odom, Griffin, and Ming. Not only would Houston lead the league in blocks, but teams would be afraid to go inside on us. This is important because of all the guys that blow by Stevie and drive to the hoop. Francis will need to step up his scoring as will Odom to make this lineup work. We'd probably draft a 2 guard like Qyntel Woods or Kareem Rush to fill Mobley's spot. And those of ya'll who haven't seen Rush play, he is a badass.
I agree. Please see post from 1 hr ago. in thread can we get Odom and Ming? pasox2 Member Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 257 05-31-2002 03:03 PM I think Cat for Odom is a good deal for the Rockets. Rice can play 2. Odom can play a very big two. Torres can play 2. There are always 2s available - it's the deepest position in the league. Getting an Odom is not so easy, year in year out - passing 3's are harder to come by. If Sterling gets two cheap players in Cat and KT who fill needs for his team, plus a pick, that should be a selling point with him facing cap headaches. Excluding emotions and chemistry issues, it's a simple deal. Ming/Cato Griffin/Taylor Odom/Griffin/Rice Rice/Torres Francis/Moochie That should be a good passing team, any player able to hit the open shot, with 2 black holes gonzo. You still have plenty of starpower to iso in the clutch, when your stars have to get it all by themselves. You don't have too much. The problem I see here is Clippers already have Q and Maggette. If Maggette becomes the starting 3 and Q will backup Mobes, maybe Sterling oks, given the good contracts he takes back. Clippers Kandi - resigned Brand - resigned/ KT Maggette/Miles Mobes/Q Mc Innis/Dooling Plus picks 8 12 and 15, where they pick up a 1 a 4 and a 5. That's pretty ok. Other teams can offer better player packages, but not likely at the right cheap Sterling contracts. Cleveland, on the other hand, could offer Miller plus # 6 for Odom plus 12. That would be a better deal for Sterling. We'll have to wait and see. __________________ Pasodoble? Show us your pasodoble! Last edited by pasox2 on 05-31-2002 at 03:15 PM
On Francis for JWill - I don't think Chicago would do that. Jwill is cheaper, for 4 years and has starpower. Francis wants to max, has headaches, sometimes is a headache, and is facing a 16 week rehab from shoulder surgery. Not only is Francis not = to JWill, he is really a risky max. At this point I would love to trade for Andre Miller. Still, with all the above noted - I expect to see Francis, Mobley, Taylor, Griffin, and Ming, with Rice, Mooch, and Cato off the bench. Getting Odom would be very nice. Getting another good pg with less risk would be nice. But the team that's likely is nice, too.
ROXTXIA- I would love to see Butler replace Mobley. At least Butler can play some defense and can rebound. Did you guys see Butler's Rockets workout video on NBA.com? Buter looked pretty awesome. Mobley is too one dimensional and is no better than Ron Mercer. However, if the Rockets replace Mobley, I'm sure Franchise will fall into some sort of depression which would cause him to miss half the season.
The clipps have no need for mobley. They have Q, a 6'6 236 lbs guard who in 26 mins avg 13 pts and 4 rebs, plus he's 22yoa. If they wanted Mobley, i'm most sure something else would have to be given up to get Odom. I'm not mad at him because he spoke his mind, but if Rudy and Cd are so weak to let them decide the fate of the franchise, then they need to start wearing g strings
Oh, please. Thompson's big men all made it on their own talent. All John did was ingrain his stupind-ass philosophy of "drive to the hole and shoot no matter what", into them. This leads to centers who shoot 38% over a finals series rather than creating open shots for other guys. Hell, not even Othella Harrington could tell you what a teammate is. To be a successful, winning, big man in this league, at some point you have to learn to pass. Maybe in college you don't, where you're a man playing amongst boys, but in the NBA you do. I don't think Thompson would ever figure that out. I mean, hell, have you heard him on TNT? "Yeah, that was a great open 3 pointer by Nowitzki, but they need to post him up, let him get inside and dunk on people", or someting else to that effect. Man, Thompson and Ainge are on Walton/Snapper levels of commentating annoyance..... Well, now I rambling. Back to the point of this post. John Thompson + Rockets = NO.
