Your arguments are sound, and as I said before, I watch no college FB. But you compared him to Vick and therefore implied his decision-making was poor. I didn't see that last night. Otherwise, I'd have seen more incompletions and interceptions. Even the scrambling seemed to happen at the right time, whereas Carr seems to scramble too soon, and into danger. You also have to like the clutch performance - big game pressure will not bother him. Also, others have mentioned Young's size should make him a bit more durable and effective than Vick.
Lowest completion percentage in the NFL actually, pretty low QB rating too, but my point was that he's still learning in year two and if the Texans pick Young he is going to need a couple of years before he reaches his true potential, whatever that may be. I'm just saying, everyone will have to realize that the Texans will have to develop yet another quarterback and fans will have to be patient with him and the franchise in general.
I understand your point. Mine is that Vince won't be any better than Mike Vick. Who btw is overrated.
From Leinart should be the top guy, to Bush, and now to Young. And for most people in this thread, it only took watching a single game to make up your minds. Taking Young sets the Texans even further back than they already are. Dude is a project qb at this point. The stuff he did last night wont work in the NFL. And physically, he isn't on Vick's level as far as scrambling goes. If the texans want to get wins sooner and plan on staying with the #1 pick, they should pick Bush. if they want to be a doormat for another 2+ years, go with VY.
Never say never....I don't believe Carr's stock has dropped very much in the eyes of most NFL scouts...the man just hasn't been coached properly...I believe he is better than Leinart...yes he has been beaten up but that has proven his durability. There is no doubt that he has a cannon for an arm and he is accurate. In effect, a team would be getting Leinart plus the NFL experience with proven durability and a 1,000 yard rusher (maybe more with a better O-Line) to go along with that. Like I said earlier I would even include Jerome Mathis in the deal. Only guy that would be off limits for trade would be Andre Johnson.
Mathis is also a WR...the Texans started to use him more at WR towards the end of the season.....he can definitely stretch a defense.
And this is why I hate that we kept someone around with an axe to grind. Casserly's comment could be earnest, but it could also be due to the fact that trading Carr would mean admitting yet another draft mistake. If we had simply started fresh, at least we would feel like football decisions were being made objectively instead of having nagging thoughts that CYA decisions are trumping the logical ones.
then say almost never. when is the last time a veteran player fetched a top two pick? Moss got the vikes what? The 5th or 7th pick and he's the best wr in the nfl. Carr is in the bottom 3rd of the NFL as far as qbs go and DD is somewhere in the middle of rbs(and rbs aren't worth didly as far as draft picks go). That is nowhere near enough to get what should be a franchise player.
You watched a different game last night then. In the 4th quarter - 3 drives - Vince threw to: RB - 1 pass, incomplete TE - 3 times, 2 complete WR - 13 times, 9 completions
What exactly is RB's role in an offense? If he's not a between the tackles RB (and some people have even suggested moving him out more as a WR), then what is he? A change of pace back?
OR, drafting Young could turn out to be the dumbest mistake the Texans could possibly make. It can actually go both ways. Young will either become another Cordell or Vick or will redefine the QB position. The problem I see here is that everyone who is panting for Vince automatically assumes that the way he plays QB will automatically translate into success at the pro level. That's simply not the case because being a pro QB requires more than just physical ability. It's worthwhile to note that the most successful QBs of the modern era: Brady, Farve, Aikman, Montana, Manning and Marino were not physically overpowering athletes yet all (with the exception of Marino) are Super Bowl champions. So it would appear that it takes a bit more than athletic ability to be a successful QB in the pros. As sensational as Young was last night, there is simply no way of knowing if he will be able to play the same way in the NFL where speed is the name of the game and he'll be hit by guys just as big and fast as himself not to mention having to face defenses designed to take away his strengths at scrambling every game. Bush or Young? Both choices carry the same inherent risk of success or failure for the Texans. The truly depressing thought in all this is that it will be Casserly making the decision and that worries me more than anything.
I think the first 2 picks will be Bush, Leinart and Young. I think the Texans still very much believe in Carr and would jump at the chance to give him some offensive help with Reggie Bush. Carr, Bush, Johnson could potentially be a new "triplets". Just patch up the offensive line a bit with FA and some 2-4 round draft picks and go to work. I think the Texans will get pressure to take home town kid in Young, but will go with Bush in the end. I think the Saints will entertain trade offers for the #2 pick but ultimately realize that what that team needs is leadership at the QB position and Lienart is their guy. I think the Saints are tired of Aaron Brooks and want to go in a different direction. Probably look at Lienart and see a lot of stability there. And that would leave Vince Young available to the Titans at #3. Makes sense. Young's idol is McNair and Young can spend a season or two under McNair's wing to get the ropes and then pass the batton. I think all 3 players will be great NFL players so everyone is a winner.
