Since all the Bush-Lovers are so enamored by his mix video, I thought I would throw this out there. http://badblocks.biz/~jcdenton/VinceYoung(Twisted3434).wmv And all of the highlights on the video are from 2003-2004, when Vince was "just a running QB" and before he made the improvement people unanimously agree he made this year.
OMG what a freak. I'll really misss watching him at UT, and I will have to buy the NFL package if the Texans draft him.
These trade scenarios aren't wacky enough for my tastes. Trade Carr and Johnson to the Saints for the #2 pick. Draft Bush #1 Draft Young #2 Sign T.O.
It is a BOLD statement to say VY will become an "all-time" QB. While I also like VY and would love to see him on the Texans, he is NOT a sure thing. He leadership ability is off the charts, but he is at least 2 years away from playing in the NFL. Playing in a spread offense out of the shotgun is not the same thing as dropping back while reading a defense with NFL level speed. He has some really bad habits such as locking onto his receiver, throwing the ball accross the field, and his immediate throws do not have the zip they need to be successful at the NFL level. The passing windows close very quickly in the NFL. If you cannot fire the ball in there on the 10-20 yd routes it will be difficult to have success. Again, I would love to him but not instead of Bush. Bush is much more than just an outside back, and it is more than his speed that makes him special. What separates Bush from others is his ability to stop-start and change directions extremely quickly. He is alot like Barry Sanders in this regard. I think the comments that he is too small are also silly. The guy is 21. He will easily gain more size through natural maturation. I would expect to him easily get to 215-220 which puts him in the same size range as Emmit, Davis, Barber, and bigger than Dunn - who is a very effective inside runner despite his size. Check the rushing numbers on these guys for the last couple of years. In an article in the Chronicle last week McClain reported that Buch can bench press over 400 lbs. He IS NOT some small scat back with exceptional speed. He is much more than that. Bush also must be accounted for wherever he is on the field. This aspect alone will create much more operating room for Andre, Davis (if Bush is used in the slot or at wideout), and whatever TE and 2nd WR we pick up.
What makes you think Carr is a nutless coward? Is it the fact that he has had his ass handed to him for 4 straight years with out complaint? How can fairly judge a QB that has one legitmate receiver to throw to, a poor pass blocking offensive-line, and no TE?
I agree, I think a more rational comparison for Young would be a Steve McNair type career. With Young being a better runner with McNair the better passer, but both players have great leadership ability and clutch play.
Agreed, Young certainly has tools, and I find him an intriguing prospect. It would be a while until he is ready to play effectively in the league. I would only take VY if we could trade back into the first to get him after either taking Bush or trading down with the top pick to acquire more picks. I am not sure that this would be possible though - cap wise.
Great video qwerty. I'd like to see that video straight up alongside Bush's video. It will be very interesting to see how both athletes grade out at the combine. I would have to guess that Bush is a little faster.........but that's just a guess. Vince has this ability to run under control and turn it on when he needs to because he is always scanning the field looking for receivers until he crosses the line of scrimmage. And besides Vince has all the escapability of Bush as demonstrated on that video. The dimension that he has that Bush doesn't have is along with escaping, he can then throw the ball down the field, off balance, off the wrong foot, sidearm, whatever and complete the throw to the receiver. Bush has one option, run it. In my eyes, that's what makes Vince more valuable, at least at the collegiate level. People that are complaining about Vince's throwing motion are just plain nuts if you ask me. When you are throwing on the run, like a shortstop, you gotta be able to deliver the ball at all sorts of angles. Frankly, I like it when he drops down and delivers the sidearm pass off the run. I think he's just using the available angle that gives him the best chance of being accurate. Remember, his accuracy was off the charts this season. How many NFL QBs are that accurate throwing on the run. That video demonstrates that he is a QB that can run as opposed to a runner playing QB. You can see the progression downfield to his receivers before he tucks it under and even then, he doesn't give up on the throw until he's over the line of scrimmage. And he's got plenty of arm strength. When he drops back and throws it downfield, it goes a mile and it has plenty of zip. When he gets used to the speed of the NFL, which I have no doubt that he will, and he learns an NFL playbook, he is going to be H__L to defend against.
i agree entirely. this is why you can't compare vick to VY. VY lets the plays develop before giving up on the pocket. but when there's nothing there, he has the ability to make something out of nothing.
The problem with his throwing motion is not that it comes from a poor angle, it is that he doesn't extend his arm fully when throwing. To me it almost looks like he is throwing a dart vs a FB. The more you extend you arm the more velocity you can throw with - basic mechanics. I am not saying this is not correctable, but with the way he currently throws he is not NFL ready. Passing windows in the NFL only stay open for a brief time, and I don't think he has the zip on his passes with his current motion. Additionally, while VY is a great athlete, he is not in the same class as Bush athletically, and this will be shown in their workout numbers. I think you'll find that Bush will run a sub 4.3 forty with scary fast agility times (10 yd cone drill etc..)
The same guys who said Carr needed an o-line and Carr needs another chance and that he is a good quarterback are the same ones now ready to run him out of town now that VY has declared for the draft. If you were this down on Carr then you would have been pulling to run him out of town and draft Leinart all along because you knew Leinart was coming out.
Want me to put together a video of Michael Vick highlights? It will probalby be more fascinating than VY and Bush's video combined.
this is where football scouts and teams lose me. taking players entirely on numbers. we've seen vince play FOOTBALL. we've seen reggie play FOOTBALL. i don't care what their numbers look like. i know what they can do. we're not going to ask them to run track. we're asking them to play football.
you completely missed my point. i've seen vick's highlights. he's very exciting. he can't beat you with his arm, though. teams have figured that out.
it's not about being down on carr, for me. i think carr is good. i don't think carr is good enough to keep me from drafting VY, though.
I think Vick is a better athlete than VY overall, but he and Bush are neck and neck in terms of speed and quickness. I would give Bush the nod in the change of direction department - which to me is what will make him a truly special RB ala Sanders.
VY can do all those same things, plus he is more durable, and I would say is a better leader based solely on their college careers.
there was a good article in the times yesterday comparing vy to len dawson. hank stram came up with the moving pocket to accomdate dawson's mobility then, and the writer suggest that, likewise, a paradigm shift will be needed by vince's coaching staff. bottom line, you don't ask vy to change, you change your offense to suit him, just like they did at texas.
They are both great FOOTBALL players, but the post I replied to compares VY to Bush athletically. This is where numbers are important. VY is not as fast or as agile as Reggie, and he shouldn't be because of their differences is builds. I get your point though. Too many times guys are drafted based on the stupid combine tests, of which only 3 I would even consider interesting 40yd, 10 yd shuttle, and VJ.
It's not so much about feeling a need to get rid of Carr as it is not missing out on Vince Young. Don't blow a chance at Vince Young. The Vince Young doubters are looking at Vick and McNair and R. Cunningham but that's almost stereotyping him cause Vick can't pass and McNair and Cunningham didn't have the kind of college game that Young has. Why not look at scrambling quarterbacks when evaluating Young's potential - like Staubach and Elway. Vince Young isn't the first highly rated quarterback who could beat you with his scrambling ability. Vick was always injury prone and a poor college passer. Young is bigger and stronger than Vick and lead the nation in passing efficiency. I don't understand why it is hard to see Young's pro potential. Forget he is from Houston and played at Texas (boooo), he has it. Yea, I like Reggie Bushes speed and elusiveness. He is a game breaker. But I don't like his running in traffic and tight quarters. I watched Bush run and man he was electric in the open field. He was ordinary at breaking tackles and running in traffic. He never moved the pile that I remember. If Bush is Tony Dorsett fine. We can't go wrong if that is true.
