Trade Carr - Draft Vince Young

I'm well aware of his draft goofs. I'm also aware of the fact that every NFL guy you hear talk says we have the talent to be much better than we were. Dan Reeves apparently though Casserly had done a decent job with the talent he drafted. But the comment that is driving me crazy is "If Casserly doesn't draft Vince Young I will..." Scouts haven't begun grading players yet for the draft. If they come back and say that Vince Young just doesn't have the tools, should Casserly take him anyway because VY fans say otherwise?

 

In Bush's defense, the play they ran (I think called Power 27 or something like that) was the same play that they had gashed the Longhorns with all night long, and had converted two previous 4th downs on, largely due to the fact that the lead blocking FB was mauling his way through the holes, which leaves little room for Reggie save as a decoy at WR I guess. If you note on that play somebody (I think Robison or something) gets through and engages the FB before he hits the hole leaving White vulnerable.

 

Seriously, people need to stop saying this crap because it's not going to happen. It's not a possibility. Ever. Get it out of your head.

 

Which ones say that? I highly doubt anybody's sitting around saying "Man, that Weigert/Wand combination at OT could be really awesome if properly utilized" or "wow, if only I had Phillip Buchanon in my secondary" or "That Capers is RUINING Demarcus Faggins!"

I mean I suppose they could have been 2x as good and been a 4 win team, but...

 

This is just a random thought, but I never understood why a guy like Carr can only get you a second round pick when he isn't a bust, people see a lot of potential in him, and he was a legitimate first round pick.

Even in San Diego, people are saying rivers won't get you a first round pick, and that guy has no wear and tear.

 

I guess it's because Carr has been in the league 4 years already. He's 26 and has endured 300+ sacks in his career. I think the big thing, to me at least, is that because of all these hits, he isn't the same QB that we drafted 4 years ago and I think he'll never be the QB that he could've been.

Rivers on the other hand has the untapped "potential". He's still a rookie essentially and hasn't played many snaps. That's why I think Carr can only fetch you a 2nd round pick especially with the QB's in this draft available in the 1st round (Cutler, Jacobs).

 

Read the papers. Each candidate you hear says the same thing. This team should have been better. Obviously that's what Reeves told McNair as well. This team should have been better. NFL analysts around the country expected us to be competitive for a playoff spot. Not make it, but be around there.

 

Well all I can say is all these candidates want the job and didn't watch Victor Riley play left tackle, the front seven become the worst defense against the run in the entire league, Phillip Buchanon wave at wide receivers as they ran past him , D. Faggins stumble trying to keep up with WR routes, CC Brown struggle in coverage as the starting safety, the outside linebackers get handled down after down on the pass rush, the defensive lineman get no upfield push, David Carr hurry out of the pocket and telegraph his passes to the first option receiver and often times get confused by the pass rush. Corey Bradford drop pass after pass with his bad hands, the O-line get overwhelmed by faster and stronger pass rushers.

37 draft picks and all the free agent signings and the Texans may have two impact playmakers on the entire squad- Andre Johnson and Duanta Robinson, but the rest of the talent is so bad it may take another couple yearts to see how good these two really can be.

Sad.

 

Very well stated

 

Very nice!!!!

 

This is a longish post, but I really wanted to get some feedback on my points (that I'm sure others have discussed to some degree.)

1. IMO, the new coaching staff will have more impact on the Texans from a W-L perspective in 2006. If Bob McNair is being realistic, 6-7 wins for 2006 is the goal. The new coaching staff can probably get there, regardless of whether we get Young or Bush. Switch to the 4-3. Run DD and Morency behind the Denver Bronco's line. That's enough for 6 to 7 wins. Shoot, the 2005 team should have won 4-5 games.

2. Then who to chose, VY or Bush? What to do with Carr? The best way for Bob McNair to hedge his bets is to pick up the 2 year option on Carr and draft VY. In 2006, Carr gets one last shot to show what he's got. While he's doing that, VY is learning and the fans aren't going beserk. The team wins 6-7 games, the fans aren't angry b/c VY is waiting in the wings. After a 2-14 debacle, 6-7 wins is ok.

3. What's worse for Carr? Draft VY and the fans boo every time Carr throws an incompletion, chanting VY's name? OR, let VY go Tennessee and the fans will boo every time Carr throws a bad pass. It's the same. The only difference is that the fans won't be upset at the team if VY is here.

4. Doesn't McNair want an "impact player"? Yes, but see point 1 above. Bush won't have that much of an "impact" from a W-L standpoint. (my opinion). Bush's impact would be from a gate/fan interest standpoing. VY kicks bush's *** in that category.

5. Fast forward to mid or end 2006: At that point, You know a lot more about Carr's ability, you have insight on VY's progress.

Here are the possibilities for 2006:

A. Let's say Carr takes a huge step forward and you are faced with dealing VY. The rest of the world doesn't know squat about Vince's progress and he is still hot property. In next year's draft, it is entirely conceivable that you could package VY and our first round pick for Adrian Petersen. No stretch whatsoever. In 2007, you have a polished Carr and Adrian Petersen. Yeah, that doesn't stink. I'll go on record right now and say that Adrian Petersen's NFL career will crush Reggie Bush's (and I hate OU). What about angering the fan base? Well, if Carr is proving to be the guy, the fans will understand a lot better than if McNair declines to draft VY now, before anyone knows whether Carr will ever live up to his "potential".

B. Alternatively, let's say Carr improves, but not much, and VY is progressing. You are faced with trading Carr for a 3rd rounder. So, in 2007, you start VY, DD/Morency. Under this assumption though (that Carr doesn't improve much in 2006 under the new staff), thank goodness you didn't pick Bush instead of VY. IMO, A mediocre Carr plus Bush is probably not good enough to get into the playoffs, certainly not enough to unseat Indy, and certainly not enough to win it all. Even if Bush becomes an elite running back. Remember, Indy has Manning, James and Harrison - Mannign being the most important piece. Assuming that Bush becomes an elite rusher (and not Eric Metcalf, Rocket Ismail or Desmond Howard), we'd have James and Harrison, but no Manning. A 2nd year VY has the potential to push us into the playoffs. No lock to do so, but potential with a high upside.

C. Alternatively, Carr doesn't improve, and VY looks clueless, and Bush was Rookie of the Year with 1,400 yards rushing. We'd be better off with Carr and Bush, but we could still deal VY. Nobody else knows that VY can't get the job done. This is our worst case scenario, but the down side is controlled.

In short, by taking BY, you delay the QB decision, control the downside risk, take the path with the highest upside, and enable yourself to make the decision based on much more information -- all at little or no cost to the franchise in terms of Wins and Losses and fan base.

 

for those of us who forgot how good bush really is and how many people he will put in the seats, here is a little refreshment

http://thebestsportsblog.com/images/bigreggiestyle.wmv

 

Regie is fast and has awesome moves in the open field but those holes he was running through, they were huge. I take Vince and don't look back.

 

Don't let a home town hero get away. He is a proven LEADER, which is exactly what the Texans need, Reggie Bush will get brought down.

 

Steve McNair hit his potential around his 6th season. Titans' fans for the longest time wanted Neil O'Donnell to start over Steve McNair until McNair guided them to their Super Bowl run in 1999. Rich Gannon, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback, Warren Moon, Mark Brunnell, and Steve Young are some other notable QB's that didn't hit there strides until later in their careers.

 

thanks Cire

Sent to the fanfeedback address
I am pumped about the possiblility of seeing Vince on the field for the Houston Texans next year. I know there are questions regarding his game but in my eyes his on the field play and leadership is something that has been totally lacking for this team. I have heard sound bites from Texan's players where they are at a loss for words when asked to name a leader on the offensive side of the ball. David Carr has all the tools but not the intangibles in my eyes. Please listen to your fans and make Vince the next Houston Texan.

 

Did you see the open spaces Vince was running through? And half his passes in the championship game were to the TE. I take Reggie Bush!

 

You forgot to add "I can't think rationally right now because my school just won the National Championship. Please disregard everything I just said."

 

I sent:

Mr. Casserly,
I am a huge Texans fan(previously an Oilers fan, r.i.p.). I am often traveling with of business, but I do go to Texas games individually. I also purchased Sirius radio to listen to the Texans. Please draft the hometown hero Vince Young. He will sell tickets and be a star. He will be the next Randall Cunningham!

I have watched most of USC's games this year, Reggie Bush has alot of concerns with his low carry count. LenDale White was USC's primary back. Young has proved himself as a passer, a runner, and most imporantly a LEADER! This is exactly what the Texans need in their locker room.

So please draft the Houston favorite, Vince Young. He will bring the Texans up, like every other team he played on.

Sincerely,