But there is good news for VY lovers. It sounds like Casserly would prefer to draft Reggie Bush or someone other then VY, but by using the words "intends" and "if" leaves the possibility of him getting presured by McNair and the fans to get VY. We'll see what happens, but I think in the end we'll end up with Bush.
Casserly is a freaking worm. I would call him a chimp but they actually poses the intellect of a 3yr old baby human and thus I would insult many of our fine chimps @ the houston zoo. Consider that a chimp could have been given a bowl filled with names of players available in the 2nd round over the last 4 years and still had a better success rate than Casserly.
I know you want Vince Young to come to the Texans more than anything on earth (seemingly ; ), but your argument here is specious. The Longhorns personnel and schemes were set up to stop and contain Bush at all costs. Why is it a demerit against Bush if the Trojans took advantage of their other All-American running back who had successfully gained over a hundred yards and three touchdowns? Until the last drive, the Longhorns had not stopped White all night. When you are trying to run out the clock, why wouldn't you go with the the proven inside the tackles back against that defense, MadMax? I believe that Bush had the single most impressive play in the game and still showed the most pro potential. On Bush's touchdown run I saw a back hit the outside corner in ways that people in the NFL won't be able to handle. On a couple of occasions I saw him turn five yard dump off passes into 30 yard gains in the blink of an eye even with UT concentrating on him. I also think that Bush will be able to run in between the tackles just fine. I saw him run over a couple of Longhorns and he reportedly is a beast in the weight room, so the Eric Metcalf talk is just silly. I am like the rest of you- I have a huge man crush on Vince Young and think he could be something special. I just think that people are overlooking Bush's talent *and* big game ability of his own in their lust for Young. Because of the wealth of picks they already have, I think the Texans should keep the top pick. I am excited about Bush and Young, so I think we will be in good shape with either.
1. Bush lacks lower body power. He does not have the lower body drive that Barry Sanders had and LTomlison has. 2. Bush is freaky fast and very elusive but he needs space to operate. He does not break tackles, he makes people miss. He will need so holes to run through 3. He will be good in the NFL but he will not be a dominating RB. His best position will be slot receiver. He will break some long carries but he is not an every down back. 4. Vince Young is a once in a lifetime talent. Strong, fast, elusive runner with a good arm and exceptional leadership abilities. He is the best scrambling/running QB to come out of college. 5. He is a much better passer and leader than M Vick. He does a very good job reading schemes and finding options on routes. 6. He will take over games in the NFL, mark it down. Texans will pass on Young- hopefully they will trade the pick. Houston Sports Disaster Ahead!
There is not a bad thing that I have to say about Reggie. He was a stud before Vince went Nuts and he is still a stud. But he's not Vince. I am sure everyone watched the news last night...did you see them interviewing people about the prospect of VY coming home? It was AWESOME! Black, white...it didn't matter. VY went to UT. But he is a Houstonian through and through. UT haters need to get past the fact that he played there and concentrate on his Houston past and GET ON THE BANDWAGON!!!!!!!
In the biggest game of the season on the key play of the final drive you put your best 11 on the field ~ Bush was standing on the sidelines.
Your right I shouldn't be so hard on Bush. I have been very high on VY since he went to Texas (as a UH alum- I am not a Horn fan at all) I love Bush's speed and elusiveness too! I have not been as high on Reggie as the experts the last two seasons. I see him great in space with room but I have never seen him consistently break tackles or get tough yards. I question his ability to carry 25 times a game in the NFL. No doubt he will be good and break big plays. I would be all for drafting him if he carried the load as a running back in college. There is a reason he was not the typical USC tailback. I'm leary. I think he is best utilized in certain specialty situations and that will carry over to the NFL-- I don't think he worth the overall #1 pick. Of course if he has holes to run through- wow- I remember the gaping holes Emmitt Smith used to run through. No one would complain about R Bush in the open field.
Hating Casserly for not wanting to draft Vince Young is pretty immature. His job isn't to draft the player that will make the most sense for the message board GMs. His job is to draft the player that will make the most sense for the Texans. If he has scouts and Dan Reeves and the potential head coach telling him that this team has the talent to win and they don't need to rebuild all over again, who are we to argue?
Just because I'm getting really sick of seeing this weak argument.... Not one back in the NFL averaged 25 carries a game this season! So if you're questioning Bush's ability to do it, you should also be questioning Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Edgerrin James, LT, and every other back in the NFL right now. http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RUSHING/2005/regular
HaHa. You really think everyone on this board hates Casserly on the sole reason that he doesn't want Vince Young? If it wasn't for Casserly's General Manager Moves, We probably wouldn't even be in this situation of drafting Vince Young or Reggie Bush. It's his job to put the talent on the field and it's been 4 years and we still have the same amount of talent that we had our expansion year. His draft picks (outside of Dunta, Andre, DD) have been misses, and he's given extensions for no reason at all. Here, how about I break it down to you by a list so that you can see why Casserly should be fired: 1. Trading a 2nd, 3rd round pick for Philip Buchanon 2. Trading a 2nd, 3rd, 4th round pick for Jason Babin 3. Signing Victor Riley as our best offensive lineman in the offseason 4. Giving hefty extensions to Kailee Wong, Gary Walker, Marcus Coleman 5. Releasing Aaron Glenn and Jaime Sharper and signing Greenwood 6. Drafting Bennie Joppru in the 2nd round 7. Drafting Tony Hollings in the 2nd round 8. Drafting Dave Ragone in the 3rd round 9. Drafting Travis Johnson and bypassing Derrick Johnson in last year's draft 10. Signing Corey "I can't catch a ball if my life depended on it" Bradford The list can go on and on and on. There is nothing immature about why the fans want Casserly fired. The Texans have the 3rd highest payroll in the entire NFL and yet we have no depth on our entire team. Yeah, Charlie Casserly has done a fine job here in Houston. We sure look like a playoff team.
thank you for bringing that point up. it was driving me crazy too... i have also been going crazy with people comparing VY to Vick. it's like when Yao came out people were comparing him to Smits. THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE!!!!!! People don't understand that Vince is a QB that has amazing running ability. He isn't a runner who plays QB. If anyone has spent anytime watching Vince in the past 2 years then they would understand that outside the ESPN evaluation of VY.
we need to bookmark this post so we can add to it after this draft is over. if casserly screws up this amazingly deep draft then i might just follow Vince and become a Titans fan. I have been a diehard Houston fan my whole 25 years, but if we have another trainwreck of an offseason then it will cause me to reevaulate my feelings for this Houston team.
Yeah I don't think it's a good comparison either. I'm not sure that Vince is quite as elusive as Vick, but his size is a huge advantage for him. I also think he's already a more accurate passer than Vick. My main questions about Vince: 1. I question his ability to play in a pro style offense. Not saying he can't do it, but he has to prove it. 2. Do we really want to draft someone #1 that in all likelihood will not play next year?
Let me ask you something? Even if we draft Reggie Bush, do you honestly believe that we'll make the playoffs next season? The reason why I ask this is because essentially, if we draft Vince, I would want him to sit a year. So even if you have Bush playing next year, or Vince sitting a year, if with both situations that we don't make the playoffs, wouldn't it be a wash? Everyone here is saying that if we go the "Draft Vince" route, we will be rebuliding. How are we not rebuilding right now?!? We are the worst team in the NFL (record-wise) and it shows. People who think that drafting Reggie Bush will get us 9-10 wins next season are obviously dreaming. One of the reasons why I want to draft Vince is because I have given up on Carr and the optimism that he's our franchise Qb who will lead us to a Super Bowl. He's 26 already and given the fact that we probably won't be making the playoffs next year, he's gong to be 27 before we actually start competing for a playoff spot. He's been sacked 300+ times the last 4 years and amazingly still gets up everytime. Let me ask everyone here a question: Do you at this point, still feel that David Carr is a pro-bowl QB? Or that he's going to be this team's leader for the next 3-4 years? If you answer no, why are you willing to pay him 10-15 million dollars over the next 3 years then?
Figure of speech. OK- 20 carries a game. Point is you have to be able to break tackles and get some tough yards. I watched Gayle Sayers play, Tony Dorsett and Barry Sanders... Sayers and Sanders could break tackles. Dorsett struggled at times in tight quarters. If Bush could be another Dorsett and get the kind of blocking he had then he will be a 20 carry a game back. I still don't want to pass up Young because I am skeptical if Carr has the consistency and the big play ability to be an All Pro QB. Also Bush never showed me he could break tackles at the college level. He did great running through big holes and getting to the edge on the outside and he is very elusive and quick. I know Bush will be good, I don't think he will be a full time running back. IMHO- draft VY
Honestly, I think they could be pretty good. Not so much because of Bush, but more so because of a new coaching staff. I think this team could be decent if they make smart decisions in the draft and free agency. Maybe that is just blind optimism, I don't know. I'm not totally against taking Vince, I don't think the Texans can go wrong either way. If they got Vince though I'd prefer them to get rid of Carr and bring in someone like Jon Kitna for a year, until Vince is ready to start. I just think it is recipe for disaster keeping Carr here and drafting Vince.
I just had to bold that statement. With Casserly, this is never going to happen. What in the last 4 years would make you think otherwise? I agree with you 100% on Vince and signing Kitna. That's what I would do personally as well. I would trade Carr to the west coast for a 2nd round pick or hopefully we can get Ricky and a 2nd from Miami. In my eyes, if you draft Vince, there's no way you start him as a rookie. I don't want him to be David Carr all over again.
when it comes down to it, it's about intangibles. Carr is not a leader. His teammates have said so. Carr hasn't won anything. VY is a born leader. Pundits see it. So called experts see it. VY has the intangible quality that you need to lead your team. Carr could be Jake Plummer. He could also be Kitna. I dont' think anyone thinks Carr is a HOF or championship level QB. The instant gratification society we live in is the only reason we should pick Bush. But consider . . . In 2006, Bush would probably be a slight upgrade over DD. But if we bring in Kubiak's staff, they would probably improve our o line performance enough that DD and Wells could do what Denver's backs have been doing for a while. In 2006, Young/Filler would be a downgrade from Carr. But in 2007, you start Young and he starts catching up to what you'd get from Carr, if projections are right.
We don't need to trade Davis. The schemes that Kubiak will bring, will no doubtedly keep Davis a 1,000-yard back, if not more. Get a good offensive line, and Davis will be competing for a pro-bowl spot year in, year out.
