Vince Young 11/25/2005 vs Texas A&M: Passing: 13/24 for 162 yards, 1TD, 1INT Rushing: 11 Carries for 19 yards. Avg 1.7 yds a carry Now lets take a look at Reggie Bush's stats for the weeks before and after November 25th, since they didn't play that week. -------------- Reggie Bush 11/19/2005 vs Fresno State: Rushing: 23 carries for 294 yds, 2 TD. Avg 12.8 yds a carry Receiving: 3 receptions for 68 yards ---------------- Reggie Bush 12/3/2005 vs UCLA Rushing: 24 carries for 260 yards, 2 TD, Avg 10.8 yds a carry No receptions ------------------ Now this isn't a slap against Vince, it is to show you that if you base everything off of a single week's performance then the tables are easily turned. It's also interesting to note that in two consecutive games RB had over 20 rushing attempts, yet this is the big knock against him.
Vince and his team play terrible in that A&M game and they still win relatively comfortably. Reggie plays like superman against Fresno St., and yet his team barely wins. It doesn't clear up the draft picture that much, but thanks for showing us how powerful of a team Texas can be (even with Vince not having a great game)... USC was flirting with danger ALL YEAR, and they finally got burned. It simply legitimizes the national championship game even more.
Totally agree about USC/Texas, but we're not drafting the entire teams (thought it would be nice if we could ) so I don't see how that is relevant in this thread.
Actually I think it has more to do with Denver's ability to basically make any RB look Extraordinary It is all about blocking and blocking schemes Our offensive line was not well coached once properly coached [which I have said most of the year and now folx finally taking off their caper colored glasses] DD and Wells will look better and VY will be allowed to be better with a proper line Bush will look like Portis in Denver but . . . will our QB look like. . . *jake plummer*??? Is that the limit for david carr . . .JAKE PLUMMER??? Rocket River
Its not that relevant (and I said as much)... unless you consider Vince's ability to lead his team to victory, despite having a bad game, as a selling point. If this thing was just about overall stats, Bush would win (mostly because of Vince sitting out virtually half the games this season, with all his early exits). But, what Vince brings in intangibles makes him very intriguing... his ability to be mentally tough on the road (undefeated as a starter), his ability to LEAD his team, and his ability to play calm/poised/clutch when it matters most. Reggie hasn't shown as much of those mainly because a.) his team was so deep, and he didn't need to be the man on every play like Vince was, b.) even when he's in, he can't guarantee the ball to himself on every single possesion, and c.) he's yet to really define his set role on a team.... could he attempt to be a big-carry RB, is he a combo back/WR only, does the offense have to be perfectly constructed around him only for it to be successful? To me, Reggie has a lot more question marks simply because of the team he came from (and thus his playing time/role on his team was different than it will be in the pros), and we won't really know what we'll be getting until you see him on this team, with its coaching system, and how he reacts to bigger/faster defenders. With Vince, I'm already confident that he'll be able to MAKE the system conform around his style somehow, he'll will some of those plays to success no matter what, and he's already big enough to be a beast in the NFL.
Even though Young sat out a number of minutes, Bush only had 45 more rushing attempts this season than Young. If that was out of necessity then there should be serious concerns about Bush. If it was just due to the USC scheme/personnel (e.g. White), then imagine Bush's stats with an additional 5-8 carries a game.
Agreed... but what was it? The player not being able to handle it? The depth of the team? Or maybe a little bit of both??? The bottom line is nobody will know about it until he's already in the NFL, and after he's had more carries in his first 4 games than he did all of last year.... only then will we know how his body will start to hold up. That provides the basis of the "unknown" about Reggie Bush that I don't think you have as much of when you look at Vince and his durability/effectiveness.
I think after a season of watching Bush run out of bounds we will get a bit frustrated with it Rocket River
But did scouts question the ability of those other backs to run inside? I haven't seen a lot of USC games this yr, but White got the majority of the inside work in the ones I did watch. I just don't see USC giving White the majority of the work if Bush were more capable.
Those that are worried about whether Bush can handle 25 carries, need to remember that it is not all on the RB. If Alexander and Johnson didn't have decent blocking and ran 25 every game, do you think they would have long careers? I pray that coaches don't where him out like Earl. Different back altogther, but he proved that he wasn't invinceable. Last time I looked, football has 11 guys on each side. It's about a well thought out plan by the coaching. It's about developing players to execute that plan without making mental mistakes. It's about everyone (including the coaching staff) being accountable and making adjustments, during play. It's not about whether one player can run 25 times per game. Game planning can change what you need, depending on who you play. Reggie can't win by himself. He has only proven that he has the potential to be an outstanding player. Of course this is just my opinion.
Well, in that same post, I showed a scouting report on Ladanian Tomlinson coming out of college. His negatives were strikingly similar to what people say about Bush now. I'm not saying Bush will be the second coming of LT or whatever. I don't know. But, I tend to side towards the opinions of scouts who have watched him for three seasons in college. They have had him picked as easy #1 pick since last season and possibly the greatest prospect to come into the league. They have known his positives and negatives when predicting these things and I don't think one game changes that. Hell, John McClain said scouts have told him as much.
One problem. Your stats on LT are wrong. Senior year: 369 carries. Junior year: 268 carries. He did prove he could be a workhorse back and more. In fact that senior season he did that in 11 games= 33.5 carries per game. Not only that, but Alexander had 302 carries in the 1999 season at Bama. Again, proof he could be a workhorse back. http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/IA/1999/indv.txt http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/1/2000/player stats/200000000069800005.HTML
Hmmm, that's interesting. I tried finding their stats from college but I didn't find it easy doing so. I pulled the numbers off some small sites I ended coming across. So, if they are wrong, I apologize. I wasn't trying to inaccurately promote Bush. I was just curious as to how many carries these other backs got in college compared to Bush.
did any of you guys watch the replay of the game last night. i did. the second-to-last possession of USC. the one that culminated in the 4th and 2. in the last two series, i'm not sure bush was in the game at all. what's that about? i couldn't see him. the 2nd down play of the last series was a pass to a different back out of the backfield...white was the other back. the last two plays, if i remember correctly, were plays with a single back in the backfield. that back's name was NOT reggie bush. that concerns me. we can blame that on pete. but who knew reggie's game better than pete??? us???
I understand 2 Questions: Who has gone further in the playoffs . . .Vick or LT? Which *team* would you say is more talented San D or Atlanta? they are at most even . . if not the edge would goto San D SCOREBOARD!!!! Rocket River
This section of the forum is starting to look like the D&D back in 2004, before the Bush vs Kerry election. EVERYBODY PICK A SIDE!!!
Bob Allen is interviewing Casserly on the Ch. 13 late night sports show, and Casserly said the team intends to excercise the 3 year option on Carr's contract. He also said if Carr is their QB then they will not draft Vince Young.
I'm torn. I don't like Carr, but I do think Bush is the answer. I'm not sure what is best at this point. I guess i'll be happy either way. VY would be Carr's ticket out of town and that would make me happy.
