In my opinion he doesn't look off receivers well, he bails out of the pocket too soon instead of stepping up, he underutilizes Andre Johnson and he forces too many passes instead of utilizing check offs. That could be coaching or scheming, I realize he doesn't deserve all the blame for that... but I don't see him making the kind of decisions that puts pressure on the defense. Based on my observation he stands to improve his decision making if he is going to be mentioned with the greats.
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here's a guy who speculates that the Raiders would be interested in trading for Carr. He actually puts a pretty high price tag on Carr, hopefully we're undervaluing him with our expectations. He also makes several good points about adding Vince Young, so check it out. http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm
rhester, I am thinking long term. You are thinking Super Bowl + long-term. I'm just thinking a 9-7, 10-6 record, maybe 1st round playoffs. This team is so far off that it needs an experienced QB at the helm (Carr) and Bush, who can be that extra blocker/extra WR when Carr needs it. You mention V. Young is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. So is Reggie Bush.
This is a nice problem to have. But I still want Bush. Making these brash changes of heart just over 1 game is a little premature IMO. If Bush hadn't lateraled that ball and they score on that drive and VY puts up the same numbers, but USC wins by 3 are we even having this discussion? If they challenge that play with Young's knee being down and then Texas scores a few plays later (USC couldn't stop them), but they run off another 2 minutes off the clock to do so, then VY doesn't have time to pull off that amazing last drive because he is out of time, are we still having this discussion? What if the Bush lateral was actually caught and the guy took it to the house, then Bush would be God for making such a heads up play to lateral the ball and would we even be having this discussion? Sure, Texas won, sure VY was awesome, but a few inches here or there, a challenge, or a different outcome of the Bush lateral and i'm not so sure we are even having this discussion.
TRS, you're forgetting as well as a conditional-type 2007 draft choice, possibly a third-or-fourth rounder that could convert into a second round choice based on Carr's playing time with the Raiders in 2006. Instead of Gabriel why don't we take defensive back Nnamdi Asomugha? That boy can hit!
the only reason we wouldn't be having it is because VY would likely be heading back to Austin next season to win an elusive national championship. those things DIDN'T happen, though. he won the game. just like he won last year's Rose Bowl. just like he won at Ohio State. and he did it earning about 5/6 of the total yards of his team, this last time. but it's not just about this last game. it's just that this last game may make it more likely that he comes out THIS YEAR when the Texans have the chance to select him.
That's fair enough, I realize any or all can bust. It's never a total lock. But I do not think Bush is in the same class as V. Young Reason- Bush needs space to operate- he is insanely fast, quick and elusive, but he lacks the lower body power of Barry Sanders IMHO. He will not be as explosive in the NFL, he will have some highlights that are great, but not a back on par with Sanders, Faulk, or E. Smith. The only back I remember who took a team on his back and turned 'em around was Earl Campbell. Bush is no Earl Campbell.
What I express about V. Young I felt after last years Rose Bowl against Michigan and I posted it long before this years Rose Bowl in this forum. He is the real deal- Jordan-esque
I know there is a handfull of you who were for VY before this game, I can remember the posts. I think VY was spectacular in both Rose Bowls, I think Bush was spectacular in this Rose bowl when he touched the ball. I also feel that he was underutalized. Texas never really stopped him, he averaged 6 yards per carry, he just didn't get as many touched as i'd like to have seen. I'll be happy either way, you can make a good case for drafting either guy, but I still prefer Bush.
Everyone is comparing Reggie Bush to Vince Young over 1 freaking game!. What happened to the support for Reggie Bush on this team? Did your eyes open when VY was in the running for Heisman and started to play in the Rose Bowl? What happened to seeing him earlier in the season? Was he not good then? I don't get it. All season was Reggie Bush, Reggie Bush, Reggie Bush. Everyone knew from the beginning of this season that Reggie Bush was the man. I still think he is and he will be a valuable asset to the Texans. I'm tired of starting over with VY when we have an established, experienced QB already.
who are you talking about specifically? i've been questioning the "sure thing" bush for the entire season. i think i had arrived at the conclusion they would take him, though. but the thing that changed was Texas won the national championship, making it more likely that Vince would come out and declare for the NFL draft. that after winning the national championship in impressive fashion. i think carr is experienced, in that he's played 4 years. but he's not so experienced that you pass up on an opportunity like VY. carr hasn't played in a pressure-cooker. he hasn't played in a playoff game. i generally like david carr. but he's only as established as the texans want him to be. he hasn't done enough to significantly establish himself in this league. granted, a lot of that is not his fault. but it is what it is.
Here's the thread I started on Dec. 30, 2005 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=106661 I was a VY or RB long ago, just didn't think there was any possibility VY might come out.
No one specifically. Just a hype comparison b/t Reggie Bush and Vince Young. I watched Outside the Lines last night and Dave Harbison - sports director of 610 - was on. He mentioned that he questioned Casserly on who he might pick. Casserly didn't mention, but he was specific on resigning Carr. So if they are hard on keeping Carr, it's logical that we might be going for Bush or picking him, then trading him for picks/FAs or both. I agree with you MadMax on Carr not being in the pressure games. But I see potential in Carr. He has done a great job with that sh!tty OL in front of him for the past 4 years. But with the adjustment of coaches and personnel that McNair is doing, it might be some good changes for Carr. VY is a hell of a player, and it would be awesome to get him. But I still believe in Carr.
Well I guess we'll know within the next week of if Bush and Young are coming out. Hopefully Young goes back to UT and makes this a moot point. Like I said, not because I don't like Young...because I don't think they will draft him and I don't want to hear anymore calls about people threatening to lynch our GM if he does't draft him. They are not getting rid of Carr = They are not going to draft Vince Young.
This is my feeling as well. I'm just so sick of all this petty arguing. We will get a real good player no matter what, so people should be excited. They will go for Bush and, if Young's (and maybe Leinart's) value has increased that much, they will probably trade the pick to move down a spot or two to still get Bush and get an extra pick or two.
Late to the thread but here's the deal: Sport is entertainment. We are consumed by sports because it gives us an outlet for passion that we are not afforded anywhere else in society with the possible exception of war (I know war is incomprably more serious but the emotional investment is similar..us, our guys, give it everything, do or die). People say winning is what gives sport it's payoff but you would have a hard time explaining the loyalty commanded by the Chicago Cubs or the pre-2004 Boston Red Sox or even the NY Jets. There are 32 teams in the NFL, 16 are going to be Losers (capital L) every year and only one will really be a champion. If the odds evened out over a thousand years you would only expect a Super Bowl championship for your team only once every 32 years. So loving your team only because it is a winner is probably an unrequited love. So in the case of sport, it makes more sense to be senseless, to have passion for your team just because they are your team. The logical choice is probably not to draft Vince #1 for the Texans. The truth is the most logical choice for the Texans would probably be to trade the #1 pick and diversify the risk of whomever they pick being a bust or adding some help at more positions. But sport is not logical it's emotional and the fans in Houston Texas are hugely invested in Vince Young. He is our David, he is our Spartacus, he is our Patton, John Wayne. We would rather follow him and die trying than win with some smarmy , greasy haired California pretty boy; who I might add has had a chance but failed to inspire his troops. Do you think the very same offensive line that we had last year would let Vince get sacked 60 times....hell no! They would bite down on Dwight Feeny's ankles if they had to to stop him; not for Carr though. Annoint the heir to King Earl. Bring us the passion that we have to be inside the stadium for. The king is dead , long live the King. (Vince! Vince! Vince!)
Well, you gotta admit....it's good to have this petty argument - picking the stud Reggie Bush / the Invincible Vince Young / or trading it for some quality players or draft picks.
