Trade Brooks

HOLY CRAP, an actual basketball discussion just broke out...quick.....take note kids....this is the truth being spoken.

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DD

 

Well, I think he would have made a difference of maybe a few points, defensively, particualry if he played nearly a full game the night before.

Yes, the Jazz played the night before, too, and guess what? Their defense was atrocious tonight as well, just not as bad as ours.

 

LOL. Let's see if it takes a Williams to demonstrate that again in the future.

 

Try to be more objective? If you really want to talk about how bad our defense was tonight, look at our BIGS. Scola/DA had the worst defensive nights out of anyone in my opinion.

Again, as I said before, on the pick and roll screens tonight when D-Williams ran it, DA nor Scola hedged AT ALL. This allowed Williams to get easy penetration, breaking down our defense. Scola/DA have to cut Williams off, or at least force him to take a longer route, and give AB time to recover. They did neither. This broke down our defense time and time again. Did you not notice that they very rarely sent Hayes' man to set the screen. They constantly picked on DA/Scola because they were doing nothing to cut Williams off.

 

REP earned, you need to post more often actual understanding of defense, rotations, and basketball, good lord ......you are on the money.

DD

 

Scola/DA are bad on defense as well. Cbud too. Even Hays didn't do much at rotating. But that doesn't mean AB/Martin combo's defense is working on defense.

In fact, nobody would make AB/Martin/Cbud/Scola lineup a good defensive team, not even Dwight Howard.

That is what I'm trying to say here. To be a contender next season when we have enough firepower, replace one of AB/Martin with Lowry in starting lineup might server the team better than put them toghther in starting lineup.

 

Yes, they were hot. Would probably have still lost even with significantly better defense by all our players. My point is that Lowry is obviously better at getting through screens (he often draws fouls running through moving picks). That one simple skill can affect the entire team defense.

I don't think Brooks-Martin is a completely hopeless combination on D, but Brooks-Martin-Budinger is just too weak on the perimeter. Lowry would have helped a lot tonight, though most likely not enough to win.

 

It was a combo of bad defense and the Jazz being hot...all 5 of their starters shot great.

Doesn't happen very often....but hey.....ok....move on...

DD

 

I want a balanced team. Not JVG's defense only, not this offense only, but a team with both defense and offense.

With Lowry/Martin(or AB)/Ariza/Scola/Yao, you get 3 good offensive players and 3 good defensive players, it's well balanced.

 

I understand what you're saying, but I really don't think Brooks/Martin will be that much of a problem. Again, it wasn't as if they were just iso'n brooks tonight. They ran him through screens. That's where our other guys need to do more whether it be bump the guy coming off the screen to slow him down, hedge a bit more..ect. I honestly don't think Lowry would have made a difference at all with how poorly our bigs defended the pick and roll tonight.

 

Lowry wouldn't make too much a differenct this season if he's in the starting lineup, this team witout Yao just can't be balanced enough.

But next year, it may.

 

You can get in front of the screener...

It's a give and take situation. The PG can buy more time for the big to get out to the perimeter, and the big can close off the driving lanes to give the PG more time to recover. Things like getting good position on the individual-defense level can have multiple positive effects on the team's defense.

 

Talk about blind hate. The Jazz ran p&r with D-Will and how do you expect Aaron to keep himself in the way of D-Will when Scola offers no help???? It was almost a 2 on 1. Defense is a team effort. Aaron will start regardless of how many offensive guys we have. Why? Because he is simply a better player than Lowry.

 

So tell me what great intimidator Cleveland has had for the past 4 years?

 

You don't think a 7'3" guy in the paint bothers shots?

Really?

Sometimes it is not even necessary to BLOCK the shot, but to be there and force someone to shoot over you, or adjust their shot is enough.

Yao is not a great shot blocker but he bugs a lot of shots...same with Big Z.

DD

 

The only thing about getting in front of the screener, is that you just giving Williams the middle of the lane, the very area you are trying to cut him off from the beginning.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by giving the big time to get out there. He should be out there already if his man is setting the screen. I'm sorry, I'm tired I'm probably just missing something. I see what you're saying though. I definitely am not saying Brooks is an all defense type player, he has his work cut out for him, but to blame him tonight for D-Williams tearing our team to pieces is wrong. I blame our bigs before anyone.

 

Lowry's man leaving him wide open to double Yao, is that what you want? Remember how Kobe was roaming on defense in last year's playoff series against us? Rick Adelman knows what he's doing. That's why he's coaching the Rockets and you're playing virtual GM. STFU.

 

Rondo with DPOY Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, and Tom Thibodeau? Billups with a for once healthy Kenyon Martin, Nene, and Birdman?

I wont take away the importance of PG defense at all. I think its key. Putting pressure on the ballhandler can stifle an offense. In the lower levels if you cant bring the ball up the court past a pressing D, you're toast! Just seems most NBA teams dont have a Garret Temple type on their rosters.

If you look at NBA All Defensive teams the past few years (yes the voting is like the Gold Glove in NBA, the most popular offensive player who plays any D), there arent that many pure point guards on the list.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_defense.html