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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by T_Man, Feb 26, 2010.

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  1. BrooksBall

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    Nobody knows how much? Are there no stats that show whether Lowry is part of combinations that are better than average defensively? I would think there is.

    On your other point, you may be right about Lowry being the better fit next season. I have said so myself on many occasions. I'm just trying to consider everything unlike some people who say it has to be Brooks or it has to be Lowry.
     
  2. trugoy

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    points per possession.

    Defense in the end is about team defense, but that requires everyone to have good defensive IQ. You can have at most one defensive liability and still be able to play good defense
     
  3. BrooksBall

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    What would you say if a team scored 130 points one day with Lowry in the lineup?

    If Lowry is about 6 points per 100 possessions allowed better than Brooks on average, that means the Jazz maybe would have only scored 129 points tonight?

    What if Lowry played 47 minutes last night and had the exact same set of defenders around him tonight, including no Batter and Ariza and Yao and a new guy in Martin still getting used to the defensive rotations? And a first year guy in Bud who is not good defensively either getting signficant minutes? And David And1ersen still having to guard Okur? etc...

    Would Lowry have prevented the Jazz from scoring 25+ points tonight?
     
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    If the team got the same amount of open looks, that lineup isn't working either, no matter it's Lowry or AB.

    It's not the first time Rockets played back to back. Infact, the schedule was even intense early in the season. 47 minutes is a bad excuse, it's not like they played real good defense last night.

    Would Lowry have prevented Jazz from scoring 25+? That's not the right question here. Would he have played better D on Dwill? I think so.

    Look at how Temple played DWill, he moved his feet to stay in front of DWill, hewas big and strong enough to fought through screens, those are the things AB couldn't do, especially getting through picks.
    In one word, Lowry or Temple would definitely help the defense over AB, but is that enough to cover the loss of offense? For Temple, not. For Lowry, I don't know.

    Next year, it will be different.
     
  5. T_Man

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    See now you are catching on...
     
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    I knew some morons would try to blame this loss on one guy.

    LOL - the Jazz make an average of less than 5 three point baskets a game.

    They got hot, all of them.

    D. Williams was very hot early......and guess what, they run TONS of picks to free him...I am sure Lowry could just get right by Boozer and Okur's picks no problem.

    Sometimes reading the GARM can make you ignorant.

    The Jazz got hot...it happens.

    DD
     
  7. BrooksBall

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    Temple has length. He is not big and strong. Williams scored on him multiple times, both at the basket and on the perimeter, including at least one And1 on a 3. I also remember him bullying him to the basket a couple of times.

    Williams is awesome, maybe the best PG in the game. He feasts on a lot of opposing PGs, including Chris Paul, particulary in Utah after he had a bad game the previous night. If he went up against Lowry after Lowry played nearly 48 minutes the night before, don't be surprised to see him shred Lowry to pieces sometime as well.

    Temple also didn't play 47 minutes last night.
     
  8. choujie

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    47 is not the best excuse here. Brooks played so many games already, and you should find out long time ago that he doesn't play D like Temple and Lowry.

    Again, I don't mind how many points DWill scored against a certain player, it's all about how the defense is played.
     
  9. choujie

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    By now, you should know just like Ariza/Battier can't play together for offense, Mrtin/AB can't play together for defense. Lowry should be better fit to play one of them next year with Yao on the floor.
     
  10. BrooksBall

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    Deron Williams feasts on every PG in the league at one time or another. He's put up numbers like he did tonight against Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, you name the player...

    47 minutes isn't an excuse. It's a fact. These are human beings, not robots. It affects them and it usually affects defense before offense.

    Neither team played good defense tonight, particularly early.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    He would have made ZERO difference tonight.

    The Jazz got hot, nothing the Rockets could do, they ran zone, they doubled, the Jazz made shot after shot after shot.

    And most of them jumpers....sometimes the other team has a great night...it happens.

    DD
     
  12. choujie

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    47 would be a good excuse if AB was a better defender. But he never was, that's also a fact. So 47 means nothing here. Lowry/Temple are flat out better defenders, the question is how much Rockets can gain by play them considering both offense and defense.
     
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    I'm not trying to blame this game on any one player. It's obvious that we got abused on D up and down the lineup tonight.

    But...

    ...if you don't think Lowry is better at fighting through screens than Brooks, I have to say that you are the moron.
     
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    I'll be the first to admit Brooks needs to work on his footwork on defense, but our bigs played the pick and roll tonight -Terribly-. They didn't hedge enough, they didn't a dang thing to make Williams at least take a longer route when penetrating, they just let him go right by. This broke our defense down time...and time again.

    This is why they were getting as many open shots as they were.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Better does not make it THROUGH the screen, Lowry is a much better individual defender than Brooks.

    The problem is that the Jazz run guys through multiple screens.....in order to beat them you have to be VERY disciplined by all 5 players on the court on defense.

    We were not close to that, everyone was hot on their team....it happens.

    And, I may well be a moron....or an idiot savant.....whatever...

    LOL - but at least I can look at the game and say....dang..not our night.

    DD
     
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    Yes, Brooks can do a better job of fighting through screens, but even if it would have been Gary Payton in his prime out there, there's nothing he can do if the our 4 or 5 (Whoevers man is setting the screen) won't hedge and stop Williams in his initial penetration.
     
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    Why do you look at tonight only? Battier/Ariza shout 12/13 from 3s on one night, but that doesn't mean anything.

    Look at the big picture. AB/Martn on defense is the equivalent of Battier/Ariza on offense. If you are so againt one pair , you should be aware of the other pair too.

    Try to be more objective, man.
     
  18. BrooksBall

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    Right, so he goes from bad defensively to worse, as you saw tonight. Both teams were awful defensively. We were just worse.

    Yes, Lowry and Temple are better defenders. I never disagreed with that.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    More objective, here try this on for size.

    The new rules make it impossible to be effective on the perimeter, you need someone on the low block that can intimidate, and erase the easy buckets.

    You could have put T.R. Dunn on Williams and he would have torched him tonight.

    Williams is good, better than both Brooks and Lowry.....he is really good....he is really really really good.....actually great.

    So, uh....color me...not surprised.

    DD
     
  20. T_Man

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    Defense is a team thing not an individual thing...

    Do you really think that Dumars, Maxwell and others really shut down MJ all by themselves... If so I got some land in the swamps of Florida I would like to sell you.

    I said this before and I will say it again... We are basically back in preseason and the guys have to get to know each other all over again.....

    LeeBig, had it right a while back... The main people complaining are all YOF.

    They want Lowery because they figure he will pass the ball to Yao all the time. Back to the JVG days of basketball..

    The problem I have with the Wait until Yao gets back is that the man can barely walk yet let along run or jump...

    Even when he dows come back Yao himself is already worried that he want be able to play this these guys...

    So sit back and enjoy the roller coaster ride of the Rockets Re-Development...
     
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