Trade: Bonzi, James for Bobby Jackson? (UPDATE: Done Deal)

i'll reserve judgement until the day is over and how the team plays with jackson...right now it looks like a total save money move which sucks because bonzi has been coming on strong lately and is a big backup 2/3 guy who rebounds really well.

james i dont care about that guy has been a total disappointment to this team from day 1, if he goes and plays well in NO then good for him. same with bonzi...the only that bothers me with this trade is that now this third time the rockets were able to get a player relatively cheap who they ended up trading (swift, anderson, bonzi) granted the first two didnt pan out but bonzi was paying dividends.

If no more moves are made than Kirk snyder has to fill bonzi's role which I think he can BUT how will he play? he is playing for a contract and wants to show his stuff will he be able to play within a team concept? I lot is riding on the development of snyder if he is still a rocket by the end of the day.


jackson does fill a huge need...i love brooks but he isnt going to be the backup/starting PG just yet he has still a lot to learn..jackson knows the system, shoots well and defends well...a great vet backup to give rafer some more rest and most importantly more efficient playing time.

honestly if the move was jackson for james and head I would be all over it...its really how are they going to replace bonzi's output hopefully snyder fills that void

 

Excellent points

 

I'm not sure what exactly to call him but frankly speaking, there are literally 20 million other businesses he can take on if his real interest is turning an operating profit and getting a further return on his investment. He does not need to own the Houston Rockets to do this. This franchise existed with a fanbase before he came along and it will continue to after he dies as well. This is not a typical conventional business where he can do however he pleases and just sell off assets to line his pockets further. There is some accountability to the fans and the public who incidentally are financing his arena. He really needs to strongly consider just selling the team this summer.

 

Landry getting more minutes is a big plus....I don't believe he can play the 3, it's he productivity that's a plus. Landry getting more minute should really equal what bonzi was doing. Bonzi wasn't a great defender to begin with....on the offensive end he played like a 4. I know that's an advantage because he's a 2 and that alone creates mismatches, but his productivity wasn't that high. I don't see the trade hurting us AT ALL.....Bobby Jax will add more than what we lost.

 

This move really shocks me.

I guess after trying to get a Bobby Jackson like player (Mike James, Steve Francis) they decided to go for the real thing.
Getting Jackson is a good move. Losing Bonzi hurts, though.
Perhaps there were serious doubts about being able to re-sign him.

Personally, I think this move was as much about getting from under Mike James' contract as anything else.

 

On top of that Bonz is traded to a division rival, wtf.

 

IN Morey I trust.

 

Snyder doesn't have the game bonzi has, he doesn't have the reputation either.Bonzi get's to the free throw line more than tracy or Yao because of his REP. He has the respect of officials because he has put in work ,He is tough and gets' repsect from his peers as well. Kobe repsects bonzi presence so do many other guy's around the league.Snyder will not in any way give us what bonzi was going to give us come playoff time and the thing is RESPECT.

 

We traded an inconsistent player away and dumped a bad contract, and all of a sudden Les "needs to strongly consider selling the team?"

Overreaction much?

And I like how you and many others say "line his pockets further." Do you have any idea how much money he's lost lately?

 

This trade may prove to be a decent one. The question I have is whether Bobby Jackson can take the backup PG minutes.

I. Currently, Alston/Brooks/Head is the worst PG tandem/trio in the West -- by a HUGE margin.

Consider our competition:
- Nash/Barbosa
- Parker/Stoudamire
- Kidd/Terry
- Paul/Pargo
- Fisher/Farmar
- Derron Williams/whoever
- Baron Davis/Monta Ellis
- AI/Steve Blake

When Alston comes out of the game, we have a huge history of offensive flow problems. Alston is playing out of his mind right now. What if he comes down to earth and returns back to his statistical norm? (You know Morey is all over that).

Head and Brooks have no business running the backup point in the playoffs. In the Utah series, we saw what can happen when you stretch Alston's minutes.

In short, our winning streak has coincided with Alston playing out of his mind. The streak and Alston's play has masked a weakness that remains. Thus the question, can BJax play backup PG?

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The second question is how badly does losing Bonzi hurt us, relative to the rest of the West, and how do we fill the void?

The SG/SF position is less stacked in the West, but not without some serious players: Kobe; Ginobli; Terry/Stackhouse; Peja; Korver/Harpring; Steven Jackson/Monta Ellis; Melo.

Tmac/Battier stacks up fine with the competition, but the loss of Bonzi is an experienced vet that knows how to make plays. I ran a thread earlier this week about giving Scola more plays on the offensive end, in lieu of Bonzi. With this trade, I think we need to think hard about this.

 

I’m not saying we are taking the Grizz role. I’m saying we are taking the “we are saving money” role, which usually conflicts with the “we are trying to win now” role that the team has supposedely been on since the Battier acquisition….and all the other moves that were made this summer…and the “it’s time” campaign…etc.

 

First of all what good is getting to the line when you're a shaq-like 1-2 every time. I'll take Landry dunking over people over Bonzi missed layups any day.

Bonzi is better off the dribble, but its not by "lightyears" as you put it. Again I make my point, if Bonzi is so vital to our success, then why were we winning without him last year. Why were we losing when he was in the starting lineup this year.....

Also why is it that when Landry started seeing the floor we suddenly became the hottest team in the league?

You're clearly making Bonzi out to be a much better player than he actually is.

 

Good Points.Last night I said and I'll say it again the man who will suffer the most from Bonzi's absence is Tracy McGrady.

 

Great post

 

I wouldn't be so sure of that. I'm sure the rockets will wheel all over the Celts and deal them a monumental loss at game 7 of the NBA Finals in a few months.

 

well bonzi wasnt a starter. also if youre talking about reliable size on the perimeter for defense, we could maybe dust off snyder. swapping bonzi to snyder on the defensive side would be a noteable upgrade. so there are matchups where some minutes like that might work.

as for reliable size on the perimeter for offense, bonzi was terrible on the perimeter. he'd clank so many long 2's and especially 3's. bobby wouldn't.

also where bonzi uses size, bobby jackson does face up jumpers over bigger defenders using: quick releases, cross over backsteps, and rainbows.

bobby is going to get to the rack as much as bonzi. and he'll make most all of his freethrows. he'll get 1 steal a game like bonzi so thats a wash.

also bobby is really good at getting all the way to the rack and dishing off to big men. we have lots of big men with good hands. rafer has been playing out of his mind but he cant break someone down 1on1 and get to the paint like bobby still can.

 

landry will not in any way replace what bonzi brought to our team. In fact Bonzi took landry under his wing,Bonzi was being a leader for us as well and the player who's going to hurt the most with this trade is tracy. Bonzi brought TOUGHNESS to the 2 guard spot,He had tracys' freakin back against bully players and when tracy was hurt which he is often, you could plug bonzi in and have a legit player at that position.

 

That's another thing about this trade... again, I don't necessarily like the trade. But I also think we're underestimating Snyder's ability to bring some of what we lost with Bonzi.

 

Did he lose his money on other ventures? If so then why do I care how much he's lost? I don't know the guy and quite frankly I don't care if he goes bankrupt, except as it relates to the team. As a Rockets fan if financial pressures unrelated to the franchise are causing problems then from my perspective it would be better off in the hands of an internet billionaire who's willing to dump money into the organization.

 

Snyder's not going to get any playing time. Did he suddenly magically figure out how to play in Adelman's system when Bonzi got traded?