aamir, I agree that Bonzi does all that you say, I am just saying that is redundant to a degree. We have other players who can score in the post...but what this team really needs is another player who can create their own shot as well as one for others. IMHO, that is the most glaring hole on the Rockets team. You are correct that Snyder and Bonzi play differently when on the floor, but I am saying that having Snyder is a more versatile option than just playing Bonzi on the block. Bonzi is getting by on reputation, he has not been all that great this year....and I really would like to see a PG that can penetrate and set up his teamates to take the load off of Tmac and put Rafer on the bench...and if Bonzi can net us that...then HALLELLUJAH ! DD
and you know that JVG is so stubborn that when he makes his mind up he has to be forced to change by a higher power. DD I would make this change if there was any way we could make an upgrade.
He is not a bad fit. He just needs to be on the court. He hasnt had a chance to get in a groove. He really needs to lose some weight and be in good shape to defend, etc by playoff time. By the way, I doubt Bonzi is going anywhere...we will need him big time in the playoffs
Do you really think he is going to lose that weight? He has had 5 months as a Rocket and he still looks like the stay puff marshmallow man. DD
He has a great point. It wouldn't be fair to compare Bonzi's stats with anyone considering he's been out of shape, in the dog house or injured during the season. And I still stand by my "ONE GAME" factor. Sure yall say it's not one game but I highly doubt that this thread would be made if the Rockets had won the game against the Mavs.
Bonzi sucks.. hes an out of shape bum that blows layups. I hope he proves me wrong, but damn.. I don't think we need to wait and hope he gets in shape.
Perhaps, but I base my assumptions on the course of the whole season....do you think I want Bonzi to fail? NO WAY !! And if Bonzi was a professional he would not be out of shape, he would be taking care of his body and realize that he is blowing not only this year's contract but next years as well. You HAVE to compare his stats.....as JVG says....you are only as good as your record.....well...Bonzi's record to date has been pretty bad.....certainly not what we hoped, and I don't think it gets much better..... He just hurts the team on defense and his offense has been too sporadic, and one dimensional. Sometimes players don't work out...ala Stromile and Derek Anderson. Bonzi is this years square peg in a round hole. DD
DD -- I still have to disagree with you there. Bonzi is a post-up player, but not a post player. He primarily is seen around the 12-16 foot range, mostly with his back to the basket, but can shoot and slash as well. Juwan doesn't play any of that. It's extremely unorthodox, but that is what makes it so attractive to me. By having a 2/3 player playing that range, you are drawing a perimeter defender away from the perimeter. You are taking players away from T-Mac and Luther, and Bonzi has shown himself to be a very capable passer. So in effect, he is a player that can create for himself and others -- exactly what you are looking for... I also still contend that Luther and Snyder are more switchable players. Luther primarily is around the perimeter -- like Snyder -- and can play the PG to spell Rafer due to his ball-handling but is not a great passer -- like Snyder. Kirk may actually be a better ball handler than Luther... Switching these two loses nothing, but gives a new look to the team (driving, rather than shooting) and a better defender. Playing Snyder with Rafer and Mac (like Bonzi does) would give us three players that drive, which isn't needed. Though admittedly, Rafer is terrible at finishing, and I wish he would grow some balls and take it all the way to the rim, so atleast we can get some free-throws out of watching him miss. But both can do what Snyder does, and they both are better creators and passers.
The point is that we did lose the game, bottom line. Given our guards inability to handle crunch time I'd say it's a viable option to trade Bonzi for a vet. pg, that's all. Let me put it this way. While this scenario is hypothetical it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility basketball wise. Either way it serves to prove a point. If the Rockets could get Philly to take Bonzi/Sura/Spanioulis/pick for Andre Miller you don't pass that up. Which lineup do you feel more comfortable with in the playoffs against the likes of Parker/Vaughn - Terry/Harris - Nash/Barbosa? Bonzi Lineup: PG: Rafer Alston/Luther Head SG: McGrady/Head/Snyder SF: Battier/Bonzi PF: Howard/Hayes C : Yao/Mutumbo or Trade Bonzi Lineup: PG: Miller/Alston SG: McGrady/Head SF: Battier/Snyder PF: Howard/Hayes C : Yao/Mutumbo I'll take the second lineup with Alston off the bench and Snyder being able to play both 2/3 if you move McGrady to the SF position for matchups...I take that lineup 24/7.
Yes, I honestly believe he can get into good game/running shape by playoff time. He just needs to stay healthy.
But what does staying healthy have to do with him losing weight? If he were committed to losing weight he would have done it through diet..... Did Yao get fat when he was out for 2+ months? DD
aamir, Good discussion. The difference is that, IMHO, the Rockets do not need that type of post player that creates for others, we need a penetrating player. We have too many inside/out guys, we need more outside/In guys..... And if we can trade Bonzi for a PG and then put Snyder in there I think it improves 1 glaring weakness and changes the look of another with about the same production. If Bonzi could bring the ball up the court ala Tmac I would love it...but he needs someone else to create for him BEFORE he can create, and that is the major problem. DD
I am still NOT convinced that Bonzi can fit in our system..i mean, he hogs the ball.... there are a lots of posessions yesterday were ruined by bonzi the hog.
uhh....do I really need to explain the correlation to you? If he can stay healthy, he can run ....you know cardio. Just playing in games will help him get into game shape.
So, since Yao has been out for 2 months and unable to run he is a fat slob now, right? Come on ! Bonzi is not going to get into that much better shape by playing 20 minutes a game...every 3rd day.......he needs to take some personal responsibility about what he is eating. DD
how can a fat, unatheletic, can't shoot, lost-a-step bonzi get 23-12 with 60% shooting against Spurs, in playoff. how?
sounds like you rarely play ball....I know I could eat anything ....didnt matter what I was eating or what time I was eating it, when I balled on a daily basis. Since, I dont have much time to play anymore, I cant eat what I want and when I want.
yao couldnt run and still stayed in good shape by doing other cardio exercises. bonzi had a back problem yes which made somethings harder but there are other exercises he could have done with less stress on the back. also the groin injury from the summer he could done other stuff to stay in shape, granted he was going to put on a few pounds all athletes do but he added another bonzi.
AHA !!!! Exactly....so since Bonzi couldn't ball every day......he should do what? Maybe not eat bad foods, which can cause him to be fat? That is my point...Bonzi did not do the professional thing and take care of business......Yao did.... Low carbs will help him lose weight even if he can't excercise, and I ball 2 or 3 times a week....still at the age of 42.......but my entire body aches now..... Bonzi is getting by on reputation, not production, why is it that people are willing to do that for him but not for others? Bonzi isn't adding all that much, IMHO. DD
so you think Kirk Snyder will help more than Bonzi, when the playoffs roll around? yeah right. Dada, what is your deal? After every loss, you wanna throw a Rocket under the bus. We have a good squad that will be getting better. Relax
