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Trade Bonzi, he doesn't fit here.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. Rockets Dynasty

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    I think the main problem is Sura really isn't an expiring contract until the offseason, so they might not be able to trade him until then.

    I know he has $1 million guaranteed and a team option but still the deal is worth $3.84 million in a trade now but worth $4.16 million in a trade in the oiffseason.

    Add in that a team trading him now STILL has to pay that $1 million and remaining money this year....

    in other words it's probably a little harder to just trade his contract than people think because it probably means taking on a contract that MIGHT not be expiring like Atkins was but more salary than Moneyball Morey wants or no tax paying less wants.

    I don't know all those issues plus how it affects the team tax wise are all issues.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    What about Sura and Wells and a pick for Brevin Knight?

    Maybe we can get a list of PGs that we think would help make us better, or could help fit in as a backup or starting PG......and would be reasonable salary wise.

    Brevin Knight
    S. Jasikevicius
    Damon Jones
    Rashard McCants
    Kevin Ollie
    JJ Redick :D
    Luke Ridnour
    Earl Watson
    Damon Stoudamire
    Chucky Atkins
    Carlos Arroyo
    Jose Calderon
    Antonio Daniels
    Jason Hart
    Julius Hodge
    Troy Hudson

    DD
     
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  3. Nice Rollin

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    Mo Williams maybe? He's in his contract year. Does Milwaukee want to pay him? i guess thats the question. You know some team will give him a ridiculous contract in the offseason
     
  4. steddinotayto

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    Even though I voiced my displeasure for Wells this season, I'd say we're better off keeping him than trying to trade him for a player who doesn't have a higher ceiling (which is pretty much reality right now).

    The problem last night (other than the FT shooting) was that JVG tried to work the low post game too much with Wells and Howard. Of course, when you are shooting not so well from 18ft and beyond, going down low is the obvious answer. But Juwan's been struggling the past few games (his shot is starting to eerily return to the Bad Juwan) and Wells is still no where near the shape he should be in. With that said, I found myself sitting at the TC wondering why hasn't Snyder been put in yet.

    Snyder isn't a low post threat but, when you're team can't buy a shot from outside or inside, it's time to penetrate and draw fouls. That's what McGrady did in the last few minutes.

    But back to Wells, I think he'll be valuable in a grind-it-out seven game series. He has a knack for rebounding and I think his abilities to finish around the basket will get better once he sheds that "baby fat".
     
  5. desihooper

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    If I was going to talk to the Clippers, I'd try to get Ross from them as well. He'd give us some more length to match-up with long, quick perimeter players like Josh Howard.

    Battier/Ross
    Howard/Hayes
    Yao/Mutombo
    T-Mac/Head/Snyder
    Alston/Cassell

    In the immortal words of that dude from the fantasy football commercials, "Championship!"

    Cassell could get you offense and run the team when Alston is ineffective or McGrady is on the bench (and Yao ain't playing). Plus he has the balls to take and make big shots.

    I still think that it'd be really nice if they could Mike James now that he's not starting in Minnesota to come play for the Rockets. He's a guy that can break down a defense and get his own shot when the offense gets stagnant or when the defense puts two guys on T-Mac.

    At the end of the game when they were doubling Tracy to get the ball out of his hands, I can't for the life of me figure out why Battier didn't run down to the corner (his spot) and Head lines up on the wing next to him (one of his spots). That way the defense has to commit two defenders to that side of the court leaving two rockets (Wells and Howard) to be guarded by one Mav (Dirk). If they're going to give you shots, and you can't create your own, might as well spot up where you can shoot from and make them come out and guard you man to man.

    Luther Head should never, EVER take a shot when he's not set. I cringe every time he leans or falls away when he shoots.
     
  6. Pocket Rockets

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    Since when do we post juwan and battier when tracy and yao are healthy together? You might see it once or twice total....outside of tmac and yao the rest of the plays are apparently watching rafer play like steve francis. dribble dribble dribble shoot.

    bonzi will be valuable against certain teams while snyder will be valuable against others. It is one of the faults jvg has with his rotation in that he struggles mightily with it. Until he realizes that concept about matchups, we will never realize our full potential as a team.
     
  7. hooroo

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    bonzi + sura for ronnie brewer + giricek

    sura for dickau would make salary space for the blazers. though would dickau be any better than lucas?
     
  8. vmac

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    Forget Earl Watson, we can even get Luke Ridnour who's lost his starting job to Watson.
     
  9. baller4life315

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    I've been as supportive and patient as anyone with Bonzi but now i'm also convinced it might be time to look for other options. It's not so much that I think he's a bad fit since you would think a fat, slow post up player would thrive in a slower half-court offense like our's. I just think he might be more washed up than people realize.

    The bottom line is Snyder is younger, has more of a future with this team and can do mostly everything Bonzi does. Sure, Bonzi would be nice to have for the playoffs but our lack of a quality backup PG and size in the frontcourt is killing us. How many great defensive sequences did we squander against Dallas by them grabbing the loose ball or the high rebound and creating extra possessions? Our lack of size, length and athleticism at the PF position was killing us last night.

    An idea:
    Bonzi for Anderson Varejao

    Varejao is soon to be free agent playing for a contract and with Cleveland's up's/down's this season they might covet a game changing post scorer like Bonzi for the playoffs. Just an idea but it's one that would free up minutes for Snyder and give us a 6'10", athletic and agile hustle player that could do wonders for us against long, athletic teams like Dallas.
     
  10. The_Yoyo

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    detroit wanted bonzi i dont know if salaries match or what but i would like to see if they would be interested in trading lindsey hunter.

    hunter is a vet backup pg with championship experence, decent defender and decent shooter
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Yes, he would be a nice fit here for a player that is only a rental as would Verejo.

    And wow are there some DD haters on this board...I guess my defending of V-Span was a lot of haterade for people. One star rating for a thread about a player that is a rental and a bad fit?

    I guess I ain't winning any popularity contests....maybe I should just come into threads and just make fun of the creator and not add any relavent material like Sam Fisher.

    DD
     
  12. aamir

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    I'm completely with you. Looks like Snyder is the next V-Span/Novak/even Bonzi at one point. One game and he's the answer to all our problems. I guess it is a good thing that Snyder got injured, because it seems like everyone has forgotten that when he was playing in the early part of the season, he was not that good!
     
  13. Aceshigh7

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    I like Bonzi and think he could really help this team. Why don't we trade our coach instead?
     
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    who's with you.....not me :confused:
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Bonzi's season statline:

    GP - 21
    Mpg - 21.10
    FG% - 42.1
    FT % - 54
    Reb - 4.1
    Asts - 1.1
    Turn - 1.95
    PPG 7.4

    Snyder's season statline:

    GP - 16
    MPG - 15.9
    FG% - 44.1%
    FT% - 65.9% (Includes 2 misses with a broken hand)
    Reb - 2.3
    Asts - 1.2
    Turn - .63
    PPG - 5.2

    See for yourself

    Snyder beats the Bonz in every category except for rebounding.....and his PPG would be roughly equal with the same amount of minutes per game.

    I am sorry, I just think Bonzi has had enough time to prove he isn't really an upgrade over Snyder....don't you ever wonder why all the other team's did not offer him a larger contract?

    DD
     
  16. DaDakota

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    So you rate a thread based upon whether you like the discussion or whether you agree with the premise?

    I rate it based upon the content.

    As for Bonzi....he is playing on reputation not content.

    DD
     
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    No need to apologize for others not being able to see the obvious. It is not like Snyder is an unproven commodity. While he's no star in the making he has proven in his first two seasons that he can contribute on a consistent basis.

    I have nothing against Bonzi and I was excited when I found out we stole him for nothing. Just his contract was worth the gamble, but as much as I'd like for him to be that 3rd scorer once Yao gets back, I just don't see it. I don't see his one superior skill (posting up) being used effectively by JVG. If Bonzi can't get by his man then the play is busted b/c his jumper is not worth anything, and the defense knows this.

    I agree with you that this team would probably be better served using Bonzi to garner a better PG or a backup PG. Afterall, the contenders in the West all have better PG situation's that we do and that is very problematic given our guards knack for poor decision making. And people need to realize that the playoff's will be games like we had last night. It will come down to execution in the final minutes, and I don't feel comfortable with Rafer/Luther running that show.

    So contend that Tracy is the playmaker and he'll handle the ball. That's a mistake that plays right into the defense. If Tracy brings the ball up then the defense will double him close to mid court meaning he'll have to make a tough pass over two defenders while his teammates panic b/c they don't know what to do. I want a vet pg handling the ball and letting Tracy run off of screens. I want a vet pg who will notice the double teams and take it to the rim with confidence. In short, I want Sam Cassell, ha.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Thank you !!

    The big thing that hardly anyone is talking about is that the Rockets have a very hard time feeding the post and it causes turnovers.....that seems to be especially true with Bonzi.

    I just don't think Bonzi adds that much more than Snyder.

    DD
     
  19. aamir

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    I'm fairly certain it was his history and the way the Sacramento situation unfolded that made other GMs afraid. He was offered $7.2 Mill/year for 5 years from Sac.

    Comparing Bonzi's stats to anyone right now is completely worthless. His longest consecutive game streak so far is only 8 games -- he has yet to even have a chance to establish his role and chemistry with the team. But even then, Bonzi manages to put on a mini-streak of dominance almost every game. That is unbelievably vital to this team, especially with Yao out. Steve Kerr was completely right yesterday when he mentioned how one dimensional we were playing out there -- everything went through T-Mac, half of our possessions down the stretch didn't even have a pass. Bonzi is the only player outside of Yao who can put on a stretch that draws attention to him and away from T-Mac -- just check the Portland game, when we couldn't score at all in the first half, and then Bonzi went off for a 10 pt, all Bonzi run that brought us back into the game. He had another run yesterday when he went for 5 straight points near the end of the 1st half when Dallas made the game close again. Kirk has never been that kind of player. Bonzi's rebounding is huge for our team too -- that is not even really debatable, both of our last two losses to the Mavs have been due to us not getting up on the boards.

    Don't get me wrong though, I love Kirk and what he brings to the game/our team. I was the first player calling for Luther on that game when he went off for 15 points, because we looked embarrassingly slow out there, particularly T-Mac. But it's not worth giving up someone that occupies a space that nobody else on our team can play (J.Ho is either in the 5 foot zone, or 15-20 foot zone, outside of Bonzi's zones, and Battier is primarily in the corner three) and actually can create space for himself and others. Bonzi and Kirk do not even play the same role, which is the main reason why I hate these comparisons. Bonzi plays a 2/3, like T-Mac, where as Kirk is primarily a 2 and could function as a 1 on our team, like Luther. That is a place we could look to for minutes for Snyder, since those two are very similar in role except one is a shooter while the other is a driver.
     
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    ^Second sentence in the third paragraph should read "calling for Kirk" -- sorry, can't edit
     

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