Question is What can Bonzi + Sura get you in return? If it is a solid PG then I am for it but if not stay the course.
hey, no one wants wells, period. plus his slary is so cheap that no team would care to have him for salary dump anyway. we could benefit from him in playoffs, where he is tyring to make the most for himself. I say we trade sura's contract for a decent backup pg, or perhap throw in JL3 or someone.
But we don't need a player who is trying to get "HIS" in the playoffs, we need one that is all about doing whatever the team needs. I think the Bonzi experiment has failed, time to move him somewhere else. DD
I think the real problem is our backcourt. Rafer and Luther, while they made a FEW plays, are not good at playing under pressure. Rafer single-handledly tried to give the game to Dallas and Luther...well his actions speak louder than anything I can type
Someone like marcus banks would be good, but i dont wanna see bonzi go to phoenix. in the games against the blazers and the hornets bonzi showed plenty. then he got injured again. lost he's rhythem. if he can go ijury free from here on, he can be a devestating weapon from here on.
JH's post game is avg, his money shot is the faced up 15 ft shot. Battier' post game is under avg. At his best, Bonzi's post game is very good. Right now, it's off but still better than those 2. He is not redundant. Jeff is not using him much. He could take some of the load for TMac.
The problem is that with Zone defenses being legal the other team can simply have a BIG player in the paint to help out on Bonzi's posts.... If the days of isolation where still here Bonzi would be a good option, but he simply does not fit on this team. Bonzi is shooting 42% from inside the arc Juwan is shooting 47% and Battier is shooting better too....they are better options in the post than Bonzi. Heck Kirk Snyder is shooting better than Bonzi in all facets of his game.... We need more athletic players....I thought we learned our lesson 2 years ago.......no more over the hill players.....get some good young players and let them play...... Ala Josh Howard, or Devin Harris etc.... Free Kirk Snyder ! DD
Well we can't post Yao and J-Ho and Battier's post game is better than Bonzi's? Yikes maybe Howard 5 years ago but now when his back is against the basket he rarely converts. Battier just doesn't have the ability to be a low post scorer. Bonzi is easily one of the better post up guards around the league, he has proven that throughout his career and has shown flashes here. Bonzi is at his best when he is in motion slashing to the basket and posting up if the offense bogs down. The offense looked horrible last night which is one of the reasons he didn't seem to be doing well nor did anyone else. I was dissappointed in Head's performance last night but that doesn't mean he is a bad fit. To add to your point, I do think we need Snyder's athleticism and would have loved to see him last night but he didn't exactly shine last week when he played against the Mavs even though he hadn't played in a while. Also, wasn't this Bonzi's second game back from falling on his tailbone. Against most teams Bonzi is a more effective player because he presents mismatches which Howard and Battier just do not do. As far as his defense, Howard for some reason has burnt Battier several times with is rather routine crossover so there is something about that crossover that catches players off guard. I would have liked to see Bonzi guarding Dirk and really body up to him like Tmac was doing. That is how you get Dirk off guard. Anyways, Bonzi has talent that is not normally found and is not worth giving up for a backup PG(which would hinder Luther's playing time BTW). Give him a shot to improve after the all-star break.
Jake, fair points, but how long do you wait? Bonzi has had nearly 5 months to fit in and get in shape, and still hasn't done it. Let him go somewhere else where he can get on a motion offense team, he doesn't work in this offense, and CERTAINLY not in this defense. DD
i've been a big bonzi supporter... but after watching last nights game, we need speed and versatility - whether it comes from bonzi or another player in a trade. he really does lumber around like a PF or C. he is STILL a step slow... everytime! honestly guys... how long does it take to start playing with some competitive fire? is he STILL NOT IN SHAPE? how long does it take? i see him trying i guess. maybe i shouldn't be too critical. the effort has improved. message to bonzi: if you want to get paid, then you gotta earn it. but GD-it bonzi!: this team needs you! i say the "need" to trade bonzi is relative to what we can GET for him and sura in return. if it's good (like bibby or barbosa or something), then do it. if it ends up being us dumping bonzi somewhere... then don't!
It would seem that Sura's expiring contract and the allure of putting Bonzi in a different situation would be a tempting offer. Atkins would lose his Bird rights, however, if he came to the Rockets. I believe he has an option to reject the trade. That might be an issue. Another guy that I'd be interested in is Jose Calderon. But the Raptors have plenty of forwards, so odds are they wouldn't be interested in Bonzi.
The need for a quality point guard outweighs the potential benefits of having another solid post player, in my opinion. This team sorely needs another good ball handler. The only reason Alston plays so much is that there's just no one else on the team that can hold onto the ball. (recent cough-ups notwithstanding) At this point, I would go to drastic measures to get Rafer some help. If drastic measures means trading Bonzi while we could still get something in return, and the alternative is to lose him to free agency in the off-season, then I'll take what we can get now, and hopefully address an important need.
For the money he makes right now, I would keep him for this season. He was not fit in because our guards think Tmac is the God. Bonzi was clearly isolated when Tmac was there, everything, every freaking offense starts and finishes with Tmac. When Tmac was off the court, Bonzi was immediately our PRIMARY offense and received a double team, and you want to trade his ass away? I say, only if the other guys can hit a bucket or two when Bonzi passes the ball out. Yes, we need a better PG, but I don't think trading Bonzi + Sura is the answer. Look, it is unlikely you can get a start PG with Bonzi + Sura, so you are going for a backup. Then, what is Bill doing? Once you got Alston, another backup, Bill is gonna rot on the bench. So instead of trading a good, proven offense asset right now, why not trade Bill? You'd say hes our future PG. Ok, if we have two PG (Alston + backup), how is he gonna develop? I'd rather wait Yao come back, we blow out most teams and Bill may get some more play time. At that time, if you want upgrade the PGs, trade Alston.
agreed 100%, since Snyder and Bonzi overlap, why don't we remove Bonzi? I mean he is really a good deal offer for some teams, if we can get a decent backup PG by trading him and Sura, why not?
I know how you guys feel. I really would have liked to see a lineup of PG: TMac, SG: Snyder, SF:Battier, PF: Bonzi, C:Howard/Hayes/Mutombo lineup. I know it will be difficult to get Snyder in games but I think Jeff shouldn't say it is either one or the other. I think he will change his mind and start playing Snyder in certain matchups like perhaps against the Suns. We definitely could use Snyder instead of Head, Bonzi and even Battier for certain stretches and matchups. To me having Bonzi and Snyder is a good thing and not a bad thing and better than getting a subpar backup PG. Remember the game Bonzi had against Portland where he was cutting to the basket and playing really well. That is how he can play with this offense, granted it was against the Blazers. To me, we just can't seem to figure out the Mavs defense which is really frustrating. I think Yao will help our offense run better against a team like the Mavs because the Pick and roll he runs is pretty effective against them w/ TMac. I know everyone is saying he has had 5 months but he has been through stretches where he plays, then gets hurt, plays, then gets hurt. Everytime that happens his fitness level drops down again. I could tell he was hurting against the Mavs.
I thought bill v-span can help, but from now, i think he is useless this season. JL III is just too undersize. We need to secure the PG position in playoff in case Rafer got hurt. So we need a decent backup PG just as good as Rafer.
JVG needs to find a way to utilize both Wells and Snyder. Yesterday Snyder should have gotten more minutes but there will be plenty of nights when Wells can create a mismatch on offense. And come playoff time the Rockets will need a reliable 3rd option. Remember game 7 of 2005? The Mavs let TMac and Yao get their points but no one else was able to step up and it was a blowout.
Question? Was Bonzi's handles(dribbling/ballhandling for those not hip) always this bad? I mean he gets strripped fairly easy. ANd what happened to his jumper. I remeber him beingg able to hit the three in Portland. He's turnover proned now, and whoever said that rebounds bounce in front or beside him into the opponents hand ain't never lying. But with that said, I'd like to keep him. Besides TMac and Yao, he's our best scoring option, and after last noight we can't afford to be trading away scoring options, and he does allow us to go small.
