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Trade Bonzi, he doesn't fit here.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. sammy

    sammy Member

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    Patience is a virtue....you will see for yourself who will be the bigger and better role player on our team. We hated on Juwan and he turned out ok, even though he is in a lil slump himself. Same thing with Rafer....he is playing well now (knock on wood)
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Patience is a virtue, but it can also be a killer if you wait too long.

    DD
     
  3. DaDakota

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    Adjusted for today's crap performance from Bonzi.....where his FG% dropped, his Free throw percentage dropped, his 3pt percentage dropped and his turnovers went up.

    At leasy Snyder got a token look.

    DD
     
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    I totally agree.
    But a better example would be TMac -- remember all the threads calling for his head the first two months of this season?
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Not even close to the same, Tmac did not have a player of equal or better quality rotting on the bench.

    And, this is Tmac we are talking about, not Bouncy Whales.

    DD
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Snyder > Bonzi

    Time to move the Bonz to the bench.

    DD
     
  7. sammy

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    He played well in the first half. Obviously, he didnt play well in the second half, but there were some ticky tack fouls called all game.

    Its clear to me now that you will always have something to whine about. If its not Bonzi...it would be some other player. If its not a player...its the coach you want to whine about.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Excuses, excuses, where are all the excuses for JL3, or V-Span, or Snyder?

    It is clear to me that you just want to whine about people who post constructive criticism on a sports fan BBS and care about their team enough to actually discuss things that are right, and face the REALITY that some things are wrong.

    Of course we don't see you in the positive threads I post, just the negative ones.....

    Stop the DD hatorade.....get in the discussions.

    DD
     
  9. sammy

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    Look through the thread and you will see how I feel. I dont want to sound redundant as some people on here. So your posting constructive criticism? Calling Bonzi Bouncy Whales is contructive?? Your the one that hates all the time...not me. I might hate on the Rockets but I dont consistantly bash Rockets players like you. I also dont like my teams to tank like you suggested the Astros do last season. How did that work out for ya? :rolleyes:
     
  10. sammy

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    I might hate on you * (not the Rockets)
     
  11. sammy

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    I should be more clear....I did want the Rockets to lose last season when we had no chance to make a playoff run. The Astros were a different story though.
     
  12. tmega21

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    You know sir, I do believe JVG has quite a bit more basketball knowledge than you do. And if he doesn't his assistant coaches do. And if they don't theres a good chance I do. And I also happen to be a math teacher and I say at best Snyder is less than or equal to Bonzi. If Bonzi wasn't showing his abilities at some point in time he would be on the bench, JVG owes him nothing, he's going to opt out of his contract next year anyway...so obviously there is something they are seeing something that says Bonzi needs to be on the court instead of Snyder. My personal guess at this whole situation is that Snyder has Slowmile disease when it comes to BB IQ, from watching him in college he always relied on his outstanding athletic ability and never had to "learn" the game. He was in the doghouse so much in Utah and NO I doubt he put forth the effort to learn. What he needs is alot of practice time and observation to learn what is necessary of him on a JVG team. Next year will be his time to contribute once Bonzi is most likely gone, until then I want Bonzi on the court because he's a more gifted offensive player and has the experience in big game situations, he knows how to make plays when it counts.
     
  13. sammy

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    yep....Bonzi's basketball IQ >> Snyder's bball IQ. You can just tell by the way Bonzi passes the rock. All I see is mad rust with Bonzi, which will get better day by day. He just needs to keep playing.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Riddle me this Math man !

    How is it that with all that knowledge of JVG and his coaches, that Snyder was a starter and Bonzi was out at the beginning of the year?

    It was only when Snyder injured his hands that the Bonz even got a 2nd look.

    Let's assume that hypothesis is correct and Snyder is equal to Bonzi....shouldn't the team be playing the guy that is going to be around for more than the next 3 months?

    And, it is our duty as fans to question the team and to analyze every thing about it.

    Welcome, you should post more....but please learn to use paragraphs, or large spacing like I do ;)

    DD

    PS. Isn't it a teacher's in service day? Shouldn't you be grading papers !!!

    :D
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Why is it that you think Bonzi will get better with playing time but not Snyder or V-Span?

    That is exactly the argument for playing them both.

    Weird.

    DD
     
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    A math teacher probably understands the concept of fitting a round peg into a square hole too. The absolute bottomline is that Bonzi and Snyder are situational role players. Bonzi is most effective against teams like San Antonio, where the two guard is not long enough to contain him. Snyder on the other hand is most effective against teams like Dallas, where his atheleticism allow him to matchup with a Stackhouse/Howard. So depending on the situation Snyder could be more valuable than Bonzi and vice versa. The problem is that JVG hasn't really bought into that idea, and I'm not sure if he will.

    Yeah, JVG is probably a basketball fiend. I'm sure he keeps a lot of basketball knowledge in the dome of his. If we're going by pure knowledge of the sport then maybe we should hire ESPN's The Schwab to be our next coach. Despite this, that doesn't mean that JVG is flawless in his technique. For example, why did it take him all 47:30 minutes of the Atlanta game to bring Kirk Snyder in for match up purposes? Anyone watching that game could have told you that Snyder would have been more effective against the likes of Marvin Williams, Joe Johnson, or Josh Smith.

    It doesn't take a basketball genius to figure these things out. It is more stuborness then anything else. You're absolutely right about Snyder lacking in the BBIQ department. The guy is young and raw. While I applaud JVG for wanting his players to play the RIGHT way he does a horrible job of holding them accountable when they don't. If Bonzi is not playing well or not matching up well against a certain team then there is no reason Snyder shouldn't see minutes. Why is that so much to ask? Is there no middle ground? I can't believe it's just Bonzi or Snyder, end game.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Ding ding ding...we have a winner !!

    DD
     
  18. sammy

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    Because Bonzi is a proven commodity. Kirk is young and all he can do is take it to the rack. V-Span is a rookie and isnt even the topic of this discussion. Bonzi will get better by playing...for example, did you see the nice spin move he did yesterday? He got by his man but lost the ball. Like I mentioned, he is the only one outside of Head that can actually score off the bench. We will need him to give TMac and Shane some rest.

    I think you mentioned that Bonzi will be a disadvantage against the Mavs and Suns. Lets see....Kirk played 18 mins and goes 1-7 against the Mavs and the week after Bonzi plays 22 mins and shoots 3-6 from the field. Either way....we are talking about a role player. Bonzi is/will be the better role player, if healthy and on the court.
     
  19. Rox225

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    Umm...Kirk also brings energy, defense, with that much needed attacking the rim attitude. If you're going to claim the rust factor for Bonzi then don't bring that Dallas stat for Snyder into the conversation. Or I may have to remind you that Bonzi went 4-17 with 5 TO's in the past two games.

    I agree that we'll need him, but that doesn't mean he's immune to being yanked from a game when playing bad. If he's turning the ball over or shooting poorly then you take his detrimental play off the court, same with Snyder, bottomline. I'd also like Snyder to give Battier a rest and move T-Mac to SF for a few minutes. Why? Well when Battier is chasing a Joe Johnson or Josh Howard all game long his shot goes down the drain. As we all know, a good shooting Shane is necessary for this team to win come playoff time.
     
  20. jVgOwnsYou

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    Bonzi = Tmac insurance + size, rebounding, and aggresivness that we desperately need at the 2 position.

    I'm glad we kept him. If Tmac's back ever flares up again ths season, we should be better prepared for it once Yao comes back...

    Bonzi can create his own offense and can score efficiently when healthy and in rhythm. The Bonzi we are seeing now is one still trying to fit in and still trying to gain confidence in his role on the team....Once that happens, he will be a more consistant threat for us.

    I've been saying this all along: You doubters need to be a little more patient. Be thankful that we have gotten by without depending on him.

    He will come around soon. He's a very good player, and a good fit for this team, and that will show soon enough.
     

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