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Tracy might sit out when the schedule gets easier?!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by t_mac1, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. abc2007

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    As I have mentioned, Yao is a much better human being than 99.999999999% posters here.
     
  2. durvasa

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    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6127758.html

    The quotes make it pretty clear. Tracy really wants to sit. And Adelman really wants him to continue to play.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    While the Rockets go forward with their plan to work Tracy McGrady back to full strength while limiting his minutes, McGrady said he is also considering whether he might be better off sitting out to concentrate on building leg strength.

    On Monday, McGrady had said, “Until further notice, I’m shutting it down.” He has played each of the three games since and expects to play Monday in Miami to complete a three-game road trip.

    “I told myself I was going to give myself this road trip to see how things were going to go and when it ends, I was going to talk to everybody and make a decision,” McGrady said.“I think I need it (time off). I felt like I had to be out here for the start of the season because our schedule was so tough. I didn’t want us to get in a hole. But looking forward, I think we have enough talent on this team if I was to sit out and we get Shane (Battier) back, I think we’ll be fine.

    “My mentality is to try not to play the whole season the way I am now. If it takes some sitting down, that’s what I’m going to have to do. ”

    The Rockets medical staff, however, believes that McGrady can best complete his comeback from his May 6 knee surgery, with Rockets coach Rick Adelman a proponent of playing through the difficulties.

    “It’s physical, but also mental,” Adelman said. “He has to push through it. I think he learned how much pain you’re going to have, how much discomfort you’re going to have. You’re going to have to find a way to get through it.

    “That’s what he’s struggling with right now. He can’t do some of the things he used to do. We’re hoping over time that starts coming back gradually.”

    Yao benefits from plan
    Yao Ming’s shots that clinched the Rockets’ win were vital, but the timeouts before them might’ve made those shots possible.

    Rockets coach Rick Adelman has spent much of the season trying to get better ball movement and to get his players to move more, especially down the stretch of games. Those struggles have often made it tough for Yao Ming to get shots.

    On Saturday, a pair of timeouts let Adelman tweak the Rockets’ sets, forcing Yao and the ball to move, with Yao getting deep touches to key the Rockets’ offense down the stretch.

    “You can’t come down to him on the strong side and just say we’re going to throw it in. You have to go from one side to the other and not make it so obvious,” Adelman said.

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    Come on, how can anyone honestly defend this guy? He wants to take the easy way out.....unreal...but not surprising.

    He had all summer to strengthen his knee.......and did nothing.....the team needs him come the playoffs, this will LINGER unless he works it....Tmac needs to play through it...

    How can anyone believe Peter when he has cried wolf at every place he has played?

    DD
     
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  4. t_mac1

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    DD, he may be a drama queen, but he has played through his injuries the entire time he's been a rocket.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    No he hasn't, there have been times he sat out for nothing.....remember when he bailed on the Golden State game under JVG......basically after the team had racked up a playoff spot?

    Tmac took the night off, then JVG benched him for the next game.....

    One of Tmac's problems has always been his mental toughness, he is the defninition of a coaster, someone who the game has come easy to his entire life, and thus has learned to coast and turn it on when necessary.

    This works sometimes, but it sets a bad example and it allows crap teams to hang around, and sometimes steal wins.

    TMac is coasting with this injury, he is babying it.....he is scared the knee will get worse, when the doctors have said...."Dude, you have to play through it and strengthen it"....

    I might be willing to think the doctors just missed something, but they did a SCOPE of it, where they look inside the knee....and saw nothing structurally wrong....and in this instance that is definitive.

    Tmac is simply taking the easy road and telling the team to go on, and he will join them when he feels like it.

    Fine....let him sit......see how hard he works in rehab (Hint: Not hard, becuase he didn't do it over the summer)......and just move on.......let the rest of the roster discover a winning identity, and toughness.

    As erratic as I think Ron Artest is, at least he is much tougher, let Tmac sit...let Artest and Yao develop chemistry and then some day, whenever, Peter crying wolf (I mean Tmac) decides to come in and play....work him in slowly.

    It is ridiculous the lack of dedication he has......pathetic, for me he is approaching cancer status.

    DD
     
  6. t_mac1

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    you forgot the times where he rushed back from the back injury in 05-06 b/c the team struggled and worsened it. you forgot to mention last yr where he rushed back from the knee injury (b/c the docs didn't know what tey were doing) and worsened it.

    name me another player in the past few years who have rushed back from injuries like tracy has.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Rushed back? LOL - Tmac has not rushed back, he has come back after being thoroughly checked out by doctors.

    The problem is that Tmac has been coddled his whole life, and has not learned how to play when nicked up, unless it is the playoffs.

    Bottom line: Tmac has a boo boo and doesn't want to play, and the regular season is not as important.....to him.

    And, he has a history of crap like this....he flat out QUIT on his Orlando team....defending him is getting harder and harder, he doesn't deserve it.

    DD
     
  8. Angkor Wat

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    Agreed. He knows how much T-Mac has done for this team and how important Mac is to this team.

    Umm is he not playing with a boo boo right now? He played hurt just about all last year and into the playoffs. People act like that whenever T-Mac plays, he's 100%. I don't think he's been 100% since the year before his major back injury in Orlando. But he still plays. Hey Dr. D, You try coming off your first major surgery in 11 years and see if your game is the same as it was before the surgery.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Everyone knows that, which is why a lot of us are pissed that he did not do everything he could to get healthy for the BEGINNING of the season.

    When Clyde Drexler says that everyone is hurting and you just have to play through it, that says a lot about what players think about Tmac's committment and toughness.

    Major surgery? So now we are calling arthoscopic surgery....Major, are you flipping serious?

    Look, if you want to Ostrich it, go ahead, I am not going to sit there and make excuses for Prima donna behavior.

    He has not dedicated himself to getting ready for the season, is out of shape, and is looking for an excuse to sit because role players are dominating him on the offensive end.

    Tmac's laziness has hurt the team.....now the team has to pay for it.

    Inexcusable, IMO.

    And now, he sees the schedule getting easier, he is thinking of sitting out? What? Sitting?

    Doctors have said he needs the work to strengthen his knee......how can anyone defend this guy?

    When the going gets tough....sit....

    You guys defend him if you like, I will call the truth out......

    DD
     
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    well DD

    you sound like a tmac hater now haha!


    who cares about the regular season! you guys were the first asking tmac to sit the beginning of the year and now (after he tried ) you guys are bashing him cuz he wanna sit?

    we all see that tmac his playing hurt and can't moove well!

    at least his shooting his back a lil(at least from the 3pt line and fts) so let him rest (or cry) whatever you call it

    we are a team that wanna win it all! you win it all in the playoffs
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Not without homecourt you don't.

    I am no hater, I just call out the truth, no matter whether it is rosy or painful.

    Watching Tmac this year has been painful.

    To see him coming out of it, and playing well these last couple of games then to hear him say "Well, I may sit"....wtf?

    The team is just starting to come together then he says that? Someone should stuff a dirty wet tube sock into his mouth everytime they see a reporter around......he needs to just suck it up and play....because no one believes a word he says anymore....

    DD
     
  12. durvasa

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    Does Jermaine O'Neal get the same type of criticism that T-Mac gets? He seems to have the "warrior" label, but he's been an even less efficient offensive player, and he misses more games with injury. It's interesting how that goes.
     
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    How is the team coming together? we just lost to the freaking mavs,spurs and almost to the worse team in the league!

    All i see is people b****ing at Mcgrady for no ****ing reason! dude is HURT! i bet he should have done what Battier did and shut it down! but since its mcgrady then we would call him lazy on rehab..

    Nobody blames Ron Ron! Big 3 my ass! the dude shoots 33-35% and I see no one blaming him

    What should he do?

    if he shuts it down then people with bash him
    if he keeps playing hurt people will bash him because he is playing poorly

    in any case people will bash him
     
  14. t_mac1

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    look DD, i think you need a lot of info before you post. in 05-06, he CLEARLY rushed back from the back problems b/c yao went out and he just had to play b/c it was still early in the season.

    last yr, the doctors DID NOT fully checked the knee and never knew the problem until the 2nd time he re-aggravated it. look at how long landry was out compared to tracy's (and landry is 7-8 years younger). he clearly rushed back on that knee.

    look, tracy is a pretty dramatic guy, i don't disagree with that. but for you to insinuate that he's "quitting" now by referencing that orlando incident is stupid. if he wanted to sit out, he could have sat out after that thunder game. why did he come back? why is he still playing? why is he still out there contributing?

    is he NOT playing right now? gosh, DD. from your comments, it's like you're portraying tracy has packed it in, sitting on the bench, and chillaxing like nothing is going on.
     
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    that's what posters like DD don't get. tracy basically played with 2 injuries when yao went out last year. if he's such a quitter, dude coudl have gotten the injuries then and basically sat out the playoffs like yao did. but instead, he played.

    and if he's such a "weak minded guy," he could easily sit out to start the year, chillax and rehab his knee and his own pace, and come back when he feels like it.
     
  16. Jeff Who

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    DD, I respect you but please calm down. I mean how do you know (you are even sure) he did NOTHING during the offseason? So how about Shane. He didn't do anything either, right?

    He will make the decision. It is pretty obvious he can heal it throughout playing, but if he feels like he needs to sit (it will be better for himself) than let him do that. We don't need to rush.

    As for his driving, well I kinda agree. He doesn't drive to the rim enough, but:

    1) he still doesn't have that confidence, maybe he is a little bit agraid.

    2) he hasn't been as agressive offensivly because he is playing within the offense. He finds himself more often open on the perimeter, and what is interesting he is hitting them

    3) he is getting less touches and attempts less fg. 13 a a game is not enough for a player like him and as I said, he doesn't get enough touches on isolations/post ups.

    4) it is tough to get a call being a Rocket. It is known that refs don't like us and sometimes we don't even get obvious calls. For example I belive in the 1st half against orlando McGrady drowe hard to the basket. He was hit on the arn and still no call. It might frustrate him too.

    He hasn't looked that bad past few game. he is playing only 30 minutes a game, so his points will be down, and I think we need to isolate him more.
     
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    yes the team is coming together? that's what everyone says when we were 3-0. it was just 3 days ago where the world is falling down. gosh please, fans like you just go day by day. if we lose, OMG, this team is not championship-level. now we've won 2 in a row, wow, the team is coming together.

    tracy is thinking long-term. yes he has played well, but he's still clearly not moving well. the knee was re-aggravated in that thunder game b/c of FATIGUE. there will be weeks where the team may have to play 3 games in 4 nights or 4 games in 6 nights. why not let him sit out certain games during those stretches so the knee won't get fatigued (when shane does come back)?

    again, he'll evaluate with the docs/coaches/trainers. i doubt he'll sit out for a long time b/c indeed he does have to play to get that strength. but he could sit out a game or two here and there v. subpar teams to prevent the knee from getting fatigued. that's a good plan.
     
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    Well, he's got some self-respect. But if he feels like he can take it easy on the court or skip a few games, and his team will be good enough to win at a decent clip, he'll do so. When you're supposed to be a star and you're paid like one, there are certain expectations that come with it. The desire to compete and play hard, even when you're not feeling that great physically, is one of them.

    Dwyane Wade scored 38 points last night with flu-like symptoms. Remember what T-Mac did against the Clippers? He set on the bench for most of the second half with a towel draped over his face.

    Or let's look at a more important game. Game 6 of the playoffs last year. T-Mac had a fantastic 2nd quarter, and almost single-handedly got us back into the game. When he hears the news that Alston will miss the second half, what happens? He doesn't take control in the 3rd quarter. He plays like the game is already lost. He said as much in the press conference after the game.

    This is what frustrates fans. His competitive fire is too easily extinguished.
     
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    all i'm taking is tracy should take the yao route that yao took earlier.

    he took a game off as a "precaution." nobody said yao should "man up" and play and stuff like that b/c yao needed that game off to really rest that foot.

    like tracy said, when the schedule gets easier, he may look to sit out games to rest his knees after maybe a tough stretch of 4 games in 6 nights or a b2b so the knee won't get fatigued.

    but again, it's tracy. dammit if he does, dammit if he doesn't.

    like i said, if tracy did what yao did, the whole forum would go down on him as a softy, weak-minded, heartless individual. oops, that has gone on already.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    One of the problems is that no one believes what Tmac says anymore, he has exaggreated so often.

    DD
     

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