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Tracy might sit out when the schedule gets easier?!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by t_mac1, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. Shaud

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    He mentioned Shane so it sounds like he will start taking some games off when Shane gets back.
     
  2. Shaud

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    I feel your pain, I'm from South Carolina and a few years ago they came to Atlanta on Martin Luther King day, and I drove to Atlanta,got on the Subway, walked to the Arena on crutches, but T-mac and Yao didn't play. :(

    My one and only Rockets game. :(
     
  3. GermanRoxFan

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    amazing is how dr. dadakota comes up with this crap on every chance he gets.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    He sat out the preseason almost completely, and his knee was weak. He has looked inconsistent all year, and lacking the lift (or rather the confidence to lift himself), and quickness.

    I was listening to 1560, and they basically said the team is worried if he sits out he will not be dedicated enough in his rehab, and they think he should play through it.

    Ultimately TMac has to make the call....and if he wants to sit...fine....then the organization should work his butt HARD.

    It is not me saying it, it is the organization saying it. Your hatoraide is showing, all you do is follow me into threads like a lost puppy and spout hate.

    You need a beer....Ticka tacka...ticka..tacka...hoy hoy hoy...

    By the way, I am right.....

    :D

    DD
     
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  5. Rule0001

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    While it's not the most popular move, if it ends up helping T-Mac out for the long-term then I'm all for it. Granted, he hasn't looked bad the last couple of games, but it's only a matter of time before he reverts back to the bad form from being overplayed on minutes.

    Ideally, he can take some games off just like he said which hopefully will coincide with the return of Battier. After the game on Monday against Miami, we've got a schedule that would allow T-Mac to sit out for a few games.

    IND, SA, DEN, LAC, GS

    Indiana , SA, LAC, GS are all winnable games without McGrady. That doesn't mean we'll play perfect if he sits out the first 3 or 4 games of that schedule. Yet, I see us with a good possibility of picking up 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 4 wins without McGrady. It'd be nice if Shane came back sometime in the the next stretch of 5 games or so.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    There are 2 problems with taking off.

    1. The medical staff, the coaches, and the organization thinks that Tracy needs to strengthen his knee by playing through it.

    2. Sending a message to this team that the schedule is softer has proven to be a bad thing, this team has played down to poor competition all year.

    Personally, I hope TMac mans up, and plays, even if it is reduced minutes....he has to get over being afraid of his knee and just go back to doing what he can do.

    Playing scared is a recipe for injury.......

    DD
     
  7. Rule0001

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    He could rehab it off the court no? They might think it's best to play through it, but I highly doubt you couldn't get a good workout in a non-game situation with our training facilities.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    He could rehab it, yes. But he also could have rehabbed it all summer long, but didn't.

    He had arthoscopic surgery where they removed loose particles.....which is a minor surgery, over 6 months ago. Brandon Roy had a similar procedure in August, most recovery times for Arthoscopic surgery is around 4 weeks. Phillip Rivers played on it 5 days after the surgery. It is a minor procedure.

    I think it is all in his head, that he is just flat out afraid to test it and is babying it.

    If he has to sit, then let him sit...but work him HARD.....VERY HARD....get him back to where he has confidence in his knee, because a Tmac that is afraid of jumping or moving too quickly is not gonna help the team all that much.

    It may not be a popular opinion, but Tmac just looks scared to me, and listening to local talk radio and hearing them infer the same just makes me cry...UGH !

    DD
     
  9. dookiester

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    isnt this exactly what tmac is suggesting? he obviously either physically isnt 100% or mentally isnt 100% or some combination of the two. making him play when he isnt confident isnt going to help. so he wants to sit out until he gets to a point, whether mentally or physically, that he can play with confidence. sounds like you've been bashing tmac this whole time only to end up agreeing with him.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Bashing....lol.

    Understanding the difference between bashing and criticizing is apparently not all that common.

    What do I think? I think the doctors are right, and that Tmac needs to play through it, and that confidence can not be fully recognized by riding a stationary bike, but by playing and gaining confidence that the knee is sound.

    I also think Tmac should have been doing rehab all summer long, and that something as minor as arthoscopic surgery should not be limiting him so severly more than 6 months later, that is what I think, having gone through a similar surgery.

    Howerver, I concede that different people recover at different rates, but to me, it is mostly mental with Tmac, because when he wants to play he has played well.....

    And for the record, I am for whatever gets him confident, if he has to sit, then sit him...BUT....I want them to work his arse hard........HARDER than just practicing and playing.....because they need to prove to him that his knee is fine.

    Now, for my prediction.......if Tmac sits, the team will start to gel, and Tmac will see himself getting left behind, and will magically say his knee has responded beautifully and he is ready to go.....because just like Roger Clemens, Tmac loves being Tmac....

    Now, if I was bashing Tmac, I would be calling him a panzy and coward, and that he should suck it up, quit whining and get his butt in gear before the team leaves him in the dust.

    :D

    DD
     
  11. leebigez

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    Just as I said earlier, if shane was healthy at the beginning, tracy wouldn't be playing right now. When shane comes back, he'll probably sit a couple of games and once he gets back, it will be a 32 mins split between Tracy,Ron, and Shane. Barry and Wafer will be emergency type players.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    I am not so sure Leeb,

    The team has indicated that Tmac should be playing to strengthen his knee.....

    To me it is almost exclusively a confidence issue, Tmac has looked great at times....and then lousy at others.......if he can play great some of the time that indicates that he should be able to get some consistency going, and you can't get that by sitting out.

    And as he is playing and strengthening the knee chemistry is being developed. I like how Adelman is limiting his minutes now, it seems to be effective.


    DD
     
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    tracy's def. a team player and if anyone doubts that, they must be crazy.

    i think he'll sit out a few games when shane gets back. he trusts his teammates.
     
  14. leebigez

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    I'm not really buying that he's not dedicated to rehab DD. Also jus because Roy had the same thing, Roy hasn't been in the league 11 yrs either. Rivers, as physicall as football is, he only plays half the game. Peple recover differently as we know. I would error on the side of caution. Now if playing makes it better, so be it, but u don't think the high minutes early is the way to do it.
     
  15. t_mac1

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    so shane hasn't dedicated himself to rehab b/c he sure is getting back slower than expected? just stop it DD

    tracy looks better as of late. he's not penetrating as much b/c it's still mental. and yes it's mostly mental with tracy. but he'll get through it. once he does, he'll be great again.
     
  16. durvasa

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    That's one way of spinning it. Another is that he's lazy and he's looking for an excuse to not exert himself, even though the doctors are saying that he needs to play to strengthen his knee.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Ding ding ding.

    DD
     
  18. t_mac1

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    why don't you say the same thing to shane? i'm sure he can play. but he won't play until he's 100%, according to his words?

    and tracy is also not playing confident, which is also a recipe for disaster. the point morey accumulated this talent is that this team now can still win in the reg. season if we have injuries. we're not playing for the reg. season. we're playing for the playoffs.

    and it's not like tracy is gonna miss a 3-4 weeks. he'll probably just miss a week or 2 when shane gets back. this is not an injury, but it's more regaining the strength.

    he's looking better the past few games; he's shooting better. he's gaining more confidence the past few games by the way he shoots. so i'm sure if he sits, it'll be very brief at most.

    and DD, it's very easy for others to tell what a guy going through injury feels when they don't have that injury.

    tracy, when it comes to his health, must feel confident if he's gonna try to do some of the things he can do. if he feels missing some games will give him some confidence in that knee, let him be.
     
  19. t_mac1

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    the docs and tracy saying it takes 6-9 months to fully recover
     
  20. t_mac1

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    again, tracy is "thinking" about it right now. that doesn't mean he'll go through with this plan. tracy said he's gonna talk about it with the docs and coaches and trainers after the miami game before further notice.

    since he's playing well, he might not need to sit out. maybe when shane gets back, tracy will just play 25 minutes and don't play back-to-back games.

    again, this is not set in stone.
     

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