the only time tracy was considered as one of the elite players in his prime was 2002-03. every single one of the players you mentioned (including melo) are better scorers than t-mac. scoring is also an aspect of the game ESPEACIALLY when you're a shooting guard. and jr smith does not get the playmaking duties when he is in the game so what are you talking about? jr smith is designed to be the scoring firepower of the bench. every time the nuggets play the ball is in the PG's hand most of the time. most of the play from jr come of a play of the point guard each player excels in thier own apect. at the end of the day melo is top 3 one of the best small forwards in the league and tracy's is not top 3 one of the best shooting guards in the league so that means melo is better at his position than tracy. a shooting guard has to have the most all around game because that's what the position ask for but carmelo is a more complete small forward than tracy is a shooting guard. just like chris paul is a more complete point guard and tim duncan is a more complete power forward. position vs. position carmelo is better then t-mac
tracy has made all-nba teams every year since 02-03 outside of his injury-plagued 05-06 and this year (only injuries stop him from making those). and he has finished in MVP votings among all those years. if that doesn't make you elite, i don't know what does. this is the first year melo has surpassed tracy. you can ask anybody that.
now you're bringing up in his prime stuff which is irrelevent because you and i know he is NOT that player anymore. and most of them in his orlando days and only 1 in his rockets days.
I think he was responding to your statement that "the only time tracy was considered as one of the elite players in his prime was 2002-03", for which his point is accurate.
umm.. from 04-05 to 07-08, which is just last season before this, he was better than carmelo. but yes RIGHT NOW, he's not better. but we'll see what kind of player he'll return to.
Is it that hard to ask Yao Ming to get more rebounds in the 4th quarter? Its a pretty rhetorical question if you ask me
not as his position as i said carmelo is better small forward than tmac is at shooting guard a shooting guard SHOULD have a more rounded game than a small forward. just like a center SHOULD have more blocks than a center and a point guard HOULD have more assist than a power forward. carmelo is a better scorer while being average on the defenive end. tmac is just good on the offensive end while being equally as average on the defensive end. they play 2 different schemes. tmac has the ball more in his hands than carmelo so of course he is a better playmaker just like chris paul would be a better playmaker than kobe. im talking about from a scoring perspective. carmelo is a better scorer than tmac hence why those names were listed
so are you saying ilgauskas, who is the 3rd best center in the L, is better than joe johnson b/c joe johnson is barely a top 5 SG. that's the dumbest argument i have ever heard (that's why i didn't want to respond to it initially). secondly, our best all-around player today is a SMALL FORWARD and his name is lebron james. so again, it's not about freakin' position. when talking about best players, you talk about just "players" in general irregardless of position.
so you're saying tmac is better than chris paul because he has a more complete game? lebron james plays a different style of game. basically mike brown gives him the ball and everybody clears out of the way. hardly debatable but go back to the originaly post in which you quoted. he is NOT a high 90 player when healthy like i said. carmelo on the other hand is above a 92-95. tracy is not an efficient scorer, he is not a better free-throw shooter, he is not better at driving to the lane, he is not a better offensive rebounder. little intangibles like that are why now carmelo is better than tmac carmelo scores waaaaay better, is waaaaaaaaaaay more efficient, shoots free-throws better, gets to the line more often, and is a better rebounder.
1) chris paul has a way better all-around game than tmac dude. what are you talking about? scores better, passes better, defends better. chris paul is a top 5 player. just ask any GM or player or coach before this year and you'll get your answer. hell, last year, nobody on this board would trade tmac for melo, and there was a thread about that.
exactly he excels at what a point guard does. tmac rebounds better and blocks better but chris paul excels at what a point guard does. playmaking abilites are not an important stat to a small forward (dont mention lebron). carmelo excels at what a proper scoring small forward does
I really have no idea what you are trying to argue. Carmello is a better forward than McGrady is a guard...what?
he is saying mcgrady is an overall better player than carmelo. even tho carmelo is WAAAAAAAAAY better offensively, rebounds better, and other intangibles. he says tmac is better because he is a better playmaker than carmelo. but playmaking ability is not an important stat to a small forward like carmelo. rebounding and blocks are not a important stat to a point gaurd
I'd take a healthy T-Mac over Melo any day. Melo is so streaky. Whoever owns us in the regular season is a good addition for us. Melo couldn't do smack against us.
of course not. i never said we should try and get melo t-mac is streaky as well and of course id take a t-mac over carmelo IN THIS LINEUP. i wouldnt take a small forward and put him in a shooting guard role
