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Tracy McGrady: Just The Numbers...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, May 18, 2009.

  1. Mr. Space City

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    no, it isnt :)

    but then again i'd be weary of driving in to get contact too if i had the injuries he had and were trying to stay healthy
     
  2. wekko368

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    Actually, what I said is that if Artest is going to be judged by his game 7 performance against the Lakers, then it would be fair if McGrady were judged based on his last performance against Milwaukee.

    My point is that you cannot come to a valid conclusion by looking only at one game. You should look at a player's body of work before making your decisions.
     
  3. Jeff Who

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    Nice to see you again, DD :D
     
  4. Jeff Who

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    That is what I am talking about. But you use it only with Ron. You know what I mean.
     
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    I know what you mean, but I look at Artest differently since he's making less than half of what McGrady makes.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    he averages 8-9 free throw attempts in the playoffs as a rocket. what more do you want?

    just look at every team. kobe had a subpar game 7 v. the rockets, lakers won. melo had a terrible game last night v. the lakers and his team won convincingly.

    you really think in the past if tracy had a "sub-par" game, we would have ANY chance of winning?

    we would be complaining like madmen if tracy had a statline of 20-22 pts, 8 boards, 8 dimes on 9-22 shooting. WE WOULD CRY TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE, which we did v. the jazz last year. that's how good tracy had been in the playoffs.
     
  7. t_mac1

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    prior to this year, he's much better than melo. if you still see how he played the last 2 games, if he can't dominate scoring, he can't do much else.
     
  8. Mr. Space City

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    ionno. in 2007-08 season he averaged 25.7 ppg, .492% shooting, 7.4 rpg, 3.4 apg, and 1.3 spg

    you cant base him as a player off 2 bad games because tracy had BAD games too.

    even when carmelo was scoring bad he still made plays, just like tracy
     
  9. t_mac1

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    i don't judge on stats. i watch games. melo may have had 15 points... last night, which is not that bad. but he had little impact on other aspects. he's not the all-around player that tracy ever was.

    there's a reason melo has never been an MVP candidate. last night game, he did NOTHING at all for 3 quarters in a playoff game b/c he couldn't score. same thing with the 2nd half of game 3.

    melo is still primarily a scorer. if he adds playmaking and other aspects, he will be a much better player.
     
  10. ClutchCity3

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    Why WHy WHY T-Mac Fans ALWAYS talk about Knee-Mac's past? Is that important now?

    All I know about T-Slack is that lazy ass getting paid 23M and quit on the team.
     
  11. Mr. Space City

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    as i said you're basing him on 2 bad games. did you watch melo last year without chauncey?

    you wont win an MVP with a star-studded roster like the nuggets.

    on the offensive end melo is just a better scorer than t-mac. when they are both off they still both make plays. the difference is when t-mac is off he is just off. when melo is off he drives in and gets to the foul line consistently to get his points another way.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    i'm not judging him on just 2 games. i've followed melo since syracuse. he's primarily an offensive player.

    melo was never an MVP candidate in his CAREER, let's put it that way. why? b/c he's simply a scorer. billups was a big MVP candidate this year b/c he does more for the nuggets than melo: make plays, create, pass, defend...

    when tracy is off, he's just off???
     
  13. AntiSonic

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    I dunno... maybe trying to get to the line in the fourth quarter instead of settling for a 22-footer each and every trip up the court?
     
  14. t_mac1

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    outside of lebron and wade, that's what EVERY PERIMETER PLAYER does.
     
  15. Mr. Space City

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    billups is a point guard. that's what a point guard does is make plays, create, pas, defend

    melo's role on that team is to be the primary scorer. while billups is the facilitator

    melo is also a better offensive rebounder than mcgrady and he is a better scorer than mcgrady.

    you would think being a shooting guard you would have to excel in shooting and scoring right? will melo scores better than t-mac.

    now i like t-mac a a player but as i said t-mac is a 85-90 player on a scale of 50-100 while carmelo is a 92-95

    tracy in his prime could probably fair to melo but a healthy current t-mac is not a 02-03 t-mac so he is not on carmelos level currently
     
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    the thing is: tracy can do what both billups and melo do. he's asked to make plays like a PG and score. he's a much better all-around player than melo.

    scoring-wise, carmelo is definitely and has been for the past few years. but tracy's all-around game is VASTLY superior to that of melo and it's not even close, even as of last year.

    now, melo is definitely better than tracy this year in every facet of teh game ;)
     
  17. Mr. Space City

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    t-mac is a better passer than melo yes but they play 2 different roles.

    t-mac was called upon to be the main playmaker/scorer with our pg being the man to get the ball to yao (our 2nd option) and make the open shots when needed.

    melo is not called upon to be the facilitator because he has one so its not called upon for him to be the main playmaker but more of just score, get offensive rebounds, and play defense.

    its really apples to oranges.
     
  18. t_mac1

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    great perimeter players do everything. there's really nto a specific role that a healthy tracy or lebron or wade or kobe or pierce do. they do EVERYTHING, and hence melo has never been in the conversation as one of the elite players and he's in his prime.

    it's not really being called upon to do those things for those guys. they're just that good that coaches ask them to do everything.

    i mean, there's a reason when JR smith and melo is in the game, JR smith gets the playmaking duties. melo is not a very good all-around player. he's improved, but he's nowhere close to the elite all-around players.

    he's a dynamite scorer though, top 5 in the league.
     
  19. AntiSonic

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    That's not even true of the other perimeter players on the Rockets, let alone the rest of the league.
     
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    (Tracy's all-around game is VASTLY superior to that of melo and it's not even close, even as of last year. now, melo is definitely better than tracy this year in every facet of teh game ;)[/QUOTE]

    It is all in the head. If Tracy comes to terms with his going downhill and the fact that he was no longer a superstar, his play will be better, he will stop making up all kinds of excuses for his performance. No more "injury", no more bricking shots, better defence.
     

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