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Tracy McGrady: Just The Numbers...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, May 18, 2009.

  1. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Member

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    unlike shane, tracy came back way early and everyone on the team admitted it, from tracy to the doctors.
     
  2. wekko368

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    Came back early? He had the arthroscopic surgery May 6, 2008. The preseason started Oct 7, 2008. That means there was roughly 6 months between his surgery and the start of the regular season.

    Keep in mind that McGrady's knee surgery was minor. He had loose particles removed. His recovery time should've been a few months at the most.
     
  3. wekko368

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    Yes, he came back early in the sense that his knee wasn't at full strength. His knee wasn't at full strength b/c he didn't rehab it properly.
     
  4. SmoothOperator

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    There's a difference between recommending something else and recommending against something. I haven't read anywhere where a doctor said Tracy McGrady doesn't need microfracture surgery and shouldn't have it performed.

    Some may have said they believed he could have a second round of arthroscopic and return, but that's different. And, what if it didn't work, again?

    Few posters on this board have much credibility when it comes to medical opinions and pain management. Hell, one wouldn't even endure the pain of embarassment in losing a pick-up game for charity. That's the heart of a champion that can really provide insight into the heart of others.... :rolleyes:
     
  5. wekko368

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    I really don't know how else to explain it to you, but I'll try.

    Do you play poker? Ever heard of the term "all-in"? Its when a player bets everything he has on the hand. If he wins, he wins big. If he loses, he's done.

    Think of the microfracture surgery as going "all-in". If the microfracture works and he's relatively healthy, he might be able to get one more multi-year contract.
     
  6. wekko368

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    Actually, there's not a difference.
     
  7. larsv8

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    The fact is he was not healthy when the season started yet chose to come back earlier to help the team.

    Your hatred is blinding you.
     
  8. SmoothOperator

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    Sorry, I don't have time to teach you English and logical reasoning...

    Against would mean contrary to regardless of other choices. Preference would mean to select one above two or more options.

    I'm against you drinking drain cleaner (or am I?). I recommend you have the chocolate ice cream instead of the cheesecake.

    Seems like a difference to me...
     
  9. wekko368

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    If microfracture is truly necessary, every doctor would've recommended it.

    Whats your point? Its a guaranteed contract. McGrady was getting paid no matter what. You think the Rockets supported the microfracture surgery? Didn't they find out about it from the media?

    Yup, thats how it works and thats what he did.

    I'm pretty sure all of the doctors McGrady visited are considered to be "one of the best". That should be common sense.
     
  10. wekko368

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    Not really. Since you recommend the ice cream, that means you're not recommending the cheesecake. In other words, to you, the merits of the ice cream are greater than the merits of the cheesecake.
     
  11. wekko368

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    As I've said before, the reason he wasn't healthy was b/c he didn't rehab properly. I can't fathom why you're not understanding this.
     
  12. larsv8

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    Link me one credible source that states McGrady didn't rehab properly.
     
  13. wekko368

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    Don't have one that explicitly states that. But if you'd like I can link you several medical sources that discuss how long it should take to recover from the varying degrees of arthroscopic surgery.
     
  14. SmoothOperator

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    Because you're an orthopedic surgeon? Why didn't you say so?

    If it simply was a matter of rehab, then he wouldn't have needed a second surgery. Didn't he run a 4.7 40 or something during the supplemental training session? After that, he was clearly in shape.

    He had severe pain. No amount of rehab was going to change it. The hollowness of your arguments is becoming clearer and clearer. You're arguing against yourself even... and you have to selectively edit my reply to try to strengthen your points.
     
  15. larsv8

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    http://www.logicalfallacies.info/
     
  16. wekko368

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    Nope, I'm not.

    Actually, if you don't rehab properly, that can lead to further injuries.

    I'm not selectively editing your words to strengthen my points. I'm editing the fluff out of your arguments and responding to your main points.
     
  17. Mr. Space City

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    IMO the hate for t-mac seems to ultimately stem from houston fans "over-expectations" of him.

    they seen what he did in orlando and expected him to be a high-volume scorer like he was on the magic. people expected him to be on a lebron or carmelo level but he didnt live up to those extremely expectations.

    he is not a kobe
    he is not a lebron
    he is not a carmelo
    he is not a d wade

    on a scale of 50-100 those are HIGH 90 players. tracy mcgrady is not a HIGH 90 player and people expected him to be that HIGH 90 player. tracy is a 85-90 player when healthy.

    save all the "he's lazy", "he's unmotivated", "he's a cancer to team chemistry" quotes for yourself because unless you show VISUAL evidence to support your claim then you are just talking out of your "you-know-what".

    if a player is a cancer to an organization whether it be work ethic or team chemistry, SOMEONE from the organization would have brought it up sooner-or-later. stuff like that doesn't go under the radar. JVG, Adelman, Morey, his teammates, SOMEBODY would have spoken up already if he was as "lazy" and "unmotivated" as yall try to make him seem. looks at stephon and terrell owens...they got called out EVENTUALLY

    im still not content on letting him go as a player because we havent seen him have the opportunity to how what he can really do in a rockets uniform with a team with a team full of SOLID role players. as i said before you cant dispute the fact that IF tracy and yao stayed healthy for the entire year and brought that into the playoffs with the group of GOOD role players we have now that we could be a force in the western conference.

    but alas, people overlook those intangibles because they are too blinded by their personally hate for a man that didn't live up to their ridiculously high expectations, a man who along with yao had to play with a terrible group of role player beside him, a man who along with yao had to carry this team on his back for year, a man who had the toyota center screaming MVP not too long ago only to have that same crowd crucify him for not winning championships with lackluster squad of scrubs like luther head and jwuan howard.

    its no surprise we got out of the first round this year, seeing how THIS IS THE BEST GROUP OF ROLE PLAYERS EVER ESTABLISHED IN THE RED/SILVER/WHITE ERA OF THE ROCKETS

    brooks, lowry, wafer, artest, battier, scola, landry....and along with yao made us a SOLID team in the playoffs. with a HEALTHY t-mac in that line-up we are a GREAT team in the playoffs.

    but what has tracy been working with during his years?

    luther head?
    kirk snyder?
    bonzi wells?
    Juwan Howard?
    Keith Bogans?
    Stromile Swift?

    i say the man AT LEAST deserves 1 more year in the rockets organization to prove what he can do with a worthy squad instead of a bunch of bums.

    but maybe thats too much to ask for here on clutchfans, where the tactic seems to blame ONE person for the failed expectations of an ENTIRE team, but thats the price of being a superstar i guess....
     
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  18. SmoothOperator

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    Nice to see some reasonable folks posting some quality. Isn't it ironic that the biggest complainers about McGrady's "volume shooting" are quite the voluminous posters themselves?

    I would disagree that Carmelo Anthony is better than McGrady prior to this year, though. Without Chauncey Billups and with Iverson, the Nuggets weren't doing much.
     
  19. AntiSonic

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    Is it really asking too much for him to attack the basket and try to get a foul every now and then?
     
  20. Jeff Who

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    Sure, Artest hustles. But he is an OVERRATED defender.

    Wekko368, I am ok with you not being a McGrady fan. But come on man, be serious. You say you are ok with Artest having one bad game, we shouldn't judge him from that standpoint and a few minutes later you say exactly opposite while talking about T-Mac.

    Isn't that hating?
     

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