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Tracy McGrady: Just The Numbers...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, May 18, 2009.

  1. BleedRed

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    uh no. If FG% tells the entire story, Battier wouldn't be playing on the team either. Now TMac of 2007 was invaluable to the Rockets, again, check our record with and without him in the lineup. That should be a clearcut way to see how invaluable a player is for his team, no? Didn't he also help extend our 22 winning streak for 10 extra games WITHOUT Yao?
     
  2. BetterThanEver

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    Battier has over 40 fg% on mostly 3s. That's excellent.
     
  3. hlmbasketball

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    DaDakota,

    There you go assuming again, you know what they say when you make an assumption. Yeap! You along with countless other haters assume you know what the doctors told the Rockets and T-Mac last year but since you took it down this road, lets go. First of all, we know that he had to have surgery on his shoulder, as well as his knee. Which means you can't lift, nor can you run. Secondly, it was explained by these same doctors that microfracture surgery was discussed last year buuuuuuut McGrady and the Rockets decided to go the path of less resistance, first- A Scope. Obviously it didn't work.

    Just ask yourself or better yet, ask someone who can understand; If your team just just won 22 straight games the year before, they won 50+ games for the 2nd straight year without Yao, they added young talent in Landry and Brooks, they just traded for Ron "freakin" Artest, and all you have been hearing is you can not get out of the first round for the past 10 yrs., then why would you intentionly come to camp out of shape. Is it starting to make sense to the senseless????

    And again, doctors misdiagnos all the time. Ian Mahinmi of the Spurs, didn't play last year beacause the doctors failed to see a fracture in his foot. Look it up!! So the analogy of the story is, unless you have all of the facts are- STOP ASSUMING, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPEN IF YOU DON"T WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!
     
  4. Rocket River

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    If the team does well next year
    it will be inspite of TMAC
    not because of him

    He maybe a contributer
    but
    he is not now .. or ever will be
    the Main Horse to pull the cart anymore

    Rocket River
     
  5. Coach AI

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    Yet that was exactly what we trotted out there with McGrady and expected to win. That was what we took into the playoffs (though you can subtract Head because he disappeared anyway) and still didn't get swept by the Jazz.

    I understand how much ill will McGrady built up this year. But it just amazes me how some of you don't consider the possibility of the McGrady that played with Luther Head and that cast with this team.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    QFT. tracy may have been a bad player this year, but when you bring up the past, please give him some credit for being able to help this team play at a high level despite those players we had.

    we had rafer playing 43 minutes per game. aaron brooks can't even pay adelman to do that no matter how much adelman loves him.

    head played 20-25 minutes in the playoffs consistently despite shootng 9% and yet wafer can't find his way onto the court at times, and wafer is 10x better.

    the talent pool on this team is light years better. and with that, yes we may not need mcgrady b/c this team is more well-balanced. tracy may have been more needed when the team lacked a ton of talent and we depended on him for everything. now we have more specialty players and scorers and we don't need that possibly.

    but it's unfathomable to see people just dismiss how tough it is to win with those guys as your starters/main rotation players.
     
  7. wekko368

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    Your argument is still a little weak. You should make up some more stats to strengthen it.
     
  8. SmoothOperator

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    Just the narrowly selected numbers?
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    It is funny how it is never Tmac's fault, it is the doctors fault for misdiagnosing his knee, even though he never did the workouts prescribed to strengthen it.

    There were tons of articles and blogs about Tmac's lack of rehab, heck the team wanted him to play earlier in the year because they were afraid if he sat that he wouldn't do the work.

    All I want is efficiency...Tracy is NOT an efficient player, and is lacking as a teamate as well..tossing everyone under the bus in the national media, making every excuse imaginable...

    It is NEVER his fault...

    I want him gone, he had his chance but he has a severe character flaw...we need men of character, not men lacking character like Tracy.

    Goodby TMac, don't let the door knob hit ya where the good lord split ya.

    DD
     
  10. t_mac1

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    luther head playoffs stats:
    06-07: 20 mpg, 4.6ppg, 30%fg, 26% 3pt, 50% ft, 1.1apg
    07-08: 9mpg, 0.8ppg, 7.1%fg, 0%3pt (b/c bobby jackson shot a feverish 29%, he got to play more :eek: )

    rafer alston playoff stats:
    06-07: 44mpg, 10.9ppg, 33%fg, 32% 3pt, 5.0apg
    07-08: 31.5mpg, 14.3ppg, 43%fg, 44% 3pt (he did play very well in this series--aaron brooks like)

    bobby jackson playoff stats:
    07-08: 23mpg, 8.7ppg, 29%fg, 21%3pt, 1.7apg

    david wesley playoff stats:
    04-05: 40mpg, 8.1ppg, 35%fg, 48% 3pt, 3.3apg

    should i bring up ryan bowen and scott padgett who played 15-20 minutes for us also during tmac's tenure?

    bob sura was arguably the only guard who complemented tracy very well.

    again, i'm not blaming these guys b/c they are role players. but the fact of the matter is they played WAY too many minutes and their deficiencies did impact the game.

    with the current team, we had the depth where if a role player struggles, you can replace them. lowry for brooks, wafer for artest or vice versa, landry for scola...

    the players i mentioned, THEY HAD TO PLAY BIG MINUTES. and that's the unfortunate thing.
     
  11. roxstarz

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    well we can't trade tmac because nobody wants an injured player. however, I think if he comes back from rehab and is at 80% I see us with a very good chance at getting a ring.
     
  12. worzel gummidge

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    wesley improved the team. the rockets were looking lottery bound before cd pulled the trades for wesley and barry.
     
  13. wekko368

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    What you should do is focus on making sure your stats are accurate.

    Luther Head has never averaged 20-25 mpg while shooting 9% from the field.

    You have a tendency to elaborate on facts when it favors McGrady.
     
  14. wekko368

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    Are you familiar with how the salary cap works?

    There are quite a few teams that want his expiring contract.
     
  15. roxstarz

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    you do realise that he may not play another game in his life right?
     
  16. wekko368

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    How many games did Cuttino Mobley play for the Knicks after he was traded to them this past season?
     
  17. roxstarz

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    I don't follow the knicks.
     
  18. t_mac1

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    u heard of exaggerations? sometimes u gotta do that to hammer a point people just don't seem to get. none of those favor mcgrady. they also favor yao.

    the fact of the matter is our depth wasn't there during those years and we depended primarily on tracy and yao. those players should not play more than they did b/c they were marginal role players.

    like i said, it wasn't their fault that they had to play those big minutes. they play b/c JVG or adelman told them to play, primarily b/c we don't have anyone else to play besides them.
     
  19. t_mac1

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    i meant not just favor mcgrady.
     
  20. wekko368

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    Clippers traded Mobley and Tim Thomas to the Knicks for Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins. During the physicals, the doctors discovered that Mobley had a career-threatening heart condition.

    The Knicks made the trade to dump Randolph's contract, so even though Mobley had a heart condition, the trade was completed.

    A few weeks later, Mobley announced his retirement. He didn't play a single game for the Knicks.

    My point is that if a team is looking to acquire McGrady for his contract, they won't care if he's able to play or not.
     

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