then why on earth did we trade for him? if he was "NO WAY IN HELL" better? Hey if he and Kobe are suppose to be equals, why the hell is Kobe so consistently good and injury free?
that's wrong. after he announced surgery, the team doctor had said he gave microfracture surgery as an "option" for tracy last offseason along with the surgery he had. the team and him chose the other surgery b/c microfracture surgery is always scary. and add to that point, microfracture surgery isn't always successful. if he really cared about individual success, getting that surgery isn't the best option. that surgery could really stop his career as it has for many players. for all that we know, tracy's career could be done by accepting that surgery.
um maybe he didn't have back problems? those back problems really caused compensatory effects throughout his body. furthermore, some players are simply blessed with healthy careers. you don't think grant hill or penny or those guys worked hard to stay injury-free??? but oh yea, they're just lazy also
Kobe and Tmac aren't equals. There was a point where you get the illusion that they are. But after watching them from day one to now, you know they were not equals. I remember Kobe air balling a shot against Utah when he was young. I remember Tmac in Toronto. The entire reason Tracy left was that he wanted to not be in the shadow of Vince Carter. He got his wish. Kobe wanted to win, that's what I saw in that Utah game. I saw a player who only cared about winning.
Funny. You tell me I'm wrong and then proceed to describe how I'm right. Theres a difference between a doctor recommending microfracture surgery and including it as an option. Its idiotic statements like this that make me wonder why I continue arguing with you. Your thinking is just too short-sighted. Just about every defense you've made in reference to McGrady has been proven wrong yet you won't give up.
did i say they were equal? talent-wise, they were you have to agree. but i do agree with you that the mental aspect is what separates tracy from reaching kobe's level. and that's obvious. that's why the greatest of the greats are called that. tracy at one time WAS a top 5 player. but he was never truly "the best player" simply b/c he didn't have that mental aspect needed to reach that stratosphere. as his athleticism and talent decline, the lack of a mental aspect really hurt him. so you hit it on the nail there. but tracy leaving toronto to escape vince's shadow is a big misconception. you do realize grant hill was also signed to orlando at the time to a max contract. and grant hill at the time was a top 5 player. so if he was escaping vince's shadow, he's going to be under a bigger shadow in grant hill b/c there was no way at the time tracy > grant.
I'm so sick of this line. Fact is when Tracy went to Orlando Grant Hill was meant to be the superstar there not Tracy. And there was a time when they thought Duncan might go there as well. So Tracy didn't leave so he could become a superstar, oh wait maybe he did maybe he knew Grant Hill would never play a full season.
I know you didn't say it, but some others have. I'm just tired of all these Tmac comparisons to these other players that have accomplished things. Toronto was willing to pay Tracy the same as Orlando. Grant Hill is a completely different player than Vince Carter. Vince Carter is mr highlight reel. Grant Hill is more of an all around player. Tracy is a scorer. With Vince Carter gone, Tracy could be the scorer that he wanted to be.
I like how you have your Tmac- Finals MVP in your signature Don't worry dude, I still play the Texas Lotto once in awhile.
We traded for him because he was one of the top five players in the league at the time is that a good enough reason for you? And I believe if Kobe had Tracy back problems he wouldn't be where hes at now, but I guess we would never know that.
bill walton was a great player, and one of the most talented big men of all time. tracy isn't in his class. but walton also had help where he wasn't doing EVERYTHING like tracy has been asked to do. for instance, in the year he won a championship, he put up 18 and 15 in the playoffs. he took 15 shots to get his 18 points and had a PER for 19. he had a lot of help that year (which the point comes back to great teams win in the playoffs, not great players--there's a reason kobe lost in the first round by himself, just like dwayne wade will also this year). you forgot guys like gross (a consistent double digit scorer), lucas (who averaged 21 and 10 in the playoffs the year they won a ring i might add), davis (another double digit scorer)...and i can go on. really tinman, step up your bball knowledge. that blazers team was not only deep, balanced, but had good players throughout.
orlando is his HOMETOWN. you thought of that tinman? grant hill at the time was thought to recover from hsi injury. he was a top 5 player. so leaving toronto to joint a top 5 player and playing in your hometown? oh, such a hard decision PS - grant hill DOMINATED the ball moreso than vince did b/c he did do EVERYTHING. he was arguably the best all around player at that time. the year before he joined orlando: his stats were RIDICULOUS 26ppg, 7rpg, 5apg, took 19 shots a game... so no, had grant been healthy, tracy wouldn't be the scored he wanted to be. so if you think these "tmac" fans have these myths about tracy, you also do yourself. just give it up. tracy is done this year and possibly as a rocket.
You would think the way some people on this board talks about Tracy that they know him personally, but at the end of the day its prety funny because I know Tracy could care less.
