Yea but the only players you are gonna want off your books are the ones that are overpaid. Its not like a team is gonna say hey we have a talented player and he is on a good contract, lets trade him for cap space. For example, Luis Scola is a great bargain. Its not like the Rox would want to drop him because they want cap space. Same goes for Landry, Lowry, Brooks, etc.... The kind of player we could get is maybe Vince Carter. Yes he might be an upgrade to an injured Tmac but would it be that much of an upgrade considering he is owed a ton more cash for a couple extra years. Im not saying the Rox wont or shouldnt trade Tmac. I just dont think this whole economic downturn mumbo jumbo is gonna suddenly create massive fire sales throughout the league. And as many have pointed out this whole lets create cap space to get in the bidding on 2010 is over rated. You know the likes of Lebron, Dwade, and Bosh are realistically looking at only a few cities. Chicago, NY, Miami, LA and those types of big cities maybe even Hou, might attract them. But you know none of them are going to willingly go to Milwaukee, Memphis, Minnesota or places like that. Its one thing to be drafted there but short of these places being the only ones who can offer big money, and we know that wont be the case, most small market teams no they have no shot at Lebron and company and therefore have no real reason to clear all this space and give up their talented players for Tmac.
Thats arguable. I would like to point out Yao has been ineffective for long stretches of time in every playoff series his been in. When I mean ineffective I mean he was the mismatch that they abused and he didn't abuse them back on the other side. In the Utah series I don't think Yao stepped it up to be honest. The losses on that 1st Jazz series rest on Mcgrady as much as it does on Yao Ming. Even in the Portland series Yao was invisible. I really do think you need Mcgrady to make Yao Ming effective. Their winning % together doesn't lie. You can quote all you like about with Yao, without Yao, with Mcgrady, without Mcgrady but one percentage doesn't lie, the Yao Ming with Tracy Mcgrady %. One or the other has to fail in the playoffs for them not to win and in my opinion they both always fail. Does anyone here honestly believe we would have lost to Portland with last years Mcgrady?
I agree, Mcgrady is the only person who can get yao the ball without turning it over 98% of the time. I think we would've sweeped POR with a healthy Mcgrady.
http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2009/05/superman_magic_in_finals_a_goo.html Did anyone hear this interview? Any links to a podcast or can someone provide more details?
If you respect this BBS, it would be respectful for you to actually read threads you are actively involved in, especially the ones by people you are directly replying to. if you read DD and my posts, you will see we did question that assessment which you dont believe happened b/c you didnt read them and conveniently just read and believed the posts that sided with your own. If you dont read the whole thread, that's fine. there's loads of stuff that i've read and wasted time on, but be prepared to get called out when you post things that contradict what has been previously stated. maybe that is the reason why you have had problems in the past. I'm glad you enjoy this BBS and are apparently trying to change your past ways of "dragging it into a cesspool" and wish u luck with your changes. If this is a recurring theme with you, maybe think of why it keeps recurring.... it was nice arguing with you cuz i liked hearing a differing opinion from my own, it was just incredibly frustrating when you would ignore counterpoints and then gloat about how awesome your posts were. however, as you admit you didnt even read the thread, so that explains alot. have a good one, and i will no longer refer to you as the Stephen A Smith of clutchfans.
I'm so happy for the Orlando fans. #1 They are in the NBA Finals #2 They don't have Tmac anymore Don't worry Rockets fans, #1 & #2 will happen for us soon!
T-mac had Mike Miller, Daryl Armstrong, and Pat Garrity - that was the "Core" of the team. Grant hill was never there. The only two seasons t-mac had a legitimate talented team mate was two playoffs when yao was healthy - one against Dallas, and one against Utah. The supporting cast in both of those cases was forgetable except for Shane. Now...you can throw the guy under the bus as you like. But why not give the dude a chance before you do?
you guys are the fake orlando fans, you praise tracy for what he did in orlando, which was just individual scoring, but you spit on his teammates. sorry dude, we'll be here after you are gone. fans like DD, AntiSonic, and myself. We believe in what's best for the team, not for what's best for tracy. you can throw every teammate, team, coach, true NBA fan Tracy had under the bus, cause that's the nature of you guys.
Does anyone realize that year Orlando was up 3-1 they were facing the team in the Eastern conference with the best record? A year later that same Detroit team got Rasheed Wallace, Larry Brown and won a ring? Allen Iverson during his championship run had Deke, Aaron Mckie, snow,George lynch..and Larry Brown as Coach.. hmmm...... That was a pretty decent team. Tmac's team in Orlando well... seriously what could you possibly win with the lineup he had there. Drew Gooden has been passed around quite a bit. Tyronne lue..well he's just on the bench in all sorts of places and he was tmac's starting pg. An old Daryll Armstrong? Mike Miller was just starting to become a decent three point threat and they shipped him out. Maybe it's just crappy luck but seriously besides the 2004-2005 Rockets team, the guy has had some pretty less than average teams. Would any of you guys trade Louis Scola or Carl landry for Juwan Howard who didn't even play that 2004-2005 playoffs. What about Ryan Bowen? Jon Barry, David Wesley and Bobby sura that year were doing pretty good that one season but after that season could not just cut it. Barry that first year was shooting a 45 percent at the three point line. Wesley was at 38%. Sura was at 35%. That team was never the same after that season and their shooting percentages all fell to the floor. Heck I remember alot of folks posting pictures of Cuban and Stern together. I think it was because of certain calls that were made or not made. We then found out that series was rigged. Heck if I am not mistaken that team went to the NBA finals that year. Then came the Jazz series? Anyone want to trade Wafer for Luther head? Anyone? Uhmm... How about we trade kyle lowry and aaron brooks for Raefer or Vspan who didn't play or luther head who was the main back up at that spot...? Anyone? Hey where is Luther Head now is he still a key factor anywhere? I think that guy was our main guy off the bench for us for that series. hmmm.... Shane Battier was the only guy besides Yao that was of any use. Heck let's not also forget that Shane was also the Shane that JVG had just sit outside the three point line. That was it. If I am not mistaken that was the whole reason some people were ready to end the JVG era. We were tired of Tmac and Yao doing all the work and the rest of our team just standing around. Unless we can get something spectacular for Mcgrady or he's just flat out injured and can't contribute then I still believe he could be very useful in our lineup.
how long has T-mac been in the league? it was his choice to leave his cousin in Toronto cause he wanted the spotlight to himself. this is just a typical tmac fan, throwing everybody under the bus. Am I suppose to feel sorry for him that he didn't play with Shaq? I was all for the Tmac trade for Steve Francis. We got better talent. But little did we know, we got no heart in return.
tmac gets injured so now he has no heart. I wonder if you would have said that last year when tmac carried us in the playoffs. I guess he had no heart. and im not a tmac fan btw.
hey you completely missed this year. you know we finally made to the 2nd round right? you act like he just found out he got injured. he should have taken care of himself at the beginning of the season, if he knew he had to get surgery, why did he choose the TRADE DEADLINE to announce it? And refresh who got the news first? the team? the fans? or ESPN? who carried who? the team carried tmac, and this year was proof that the team is much better than you give them credit for. oh and the coach. thanks for not playing tmac. I could how good Scola and Aaron Brooks are when they don't have to pass it to you at the 3 point line.
your making it sound like getting out of the first round was like winning a championship. I honestly dont care if tmac gets traded or doesnt but dont sit there and say this season was his highlight career. but yes you are right that he made a very dumb mistake this year by getting out of shape and then at the deadline announced it. if he doesnt have a good year this next season you can always trade him.
it's really funny how all you guys think you are GMs. if the writing on the wall isn't obvious (no tmac in the playoff intro videos, his jersey is 50% off..) getting to the 2nd round was just proof. did you not notice how much better the team played when tmac stopped playing for us? Morey and Rick Adelman run this team and I'm pretty sure they had plans for Tmac not being here. Like I said , Tmac is smart, so throwing that surgery news at the trade deadline on ESPN killed any chances he gets traded to a team he doesn't want to go to.
Tinman what did it take for Garnett to finally get out of the first round? The Wolves had to get Sam Casell, Latrell Spreewell and a pretty darn decent bench. That was 8 seasons after Garnett came to the NBA. Let me ask you a question Tin Man would you trade aaron brooks and Kyle lowry and Von Wafer for Raefer and Luther head or an injured Bobby Sura? Wait Ron Artest was really supposed to be our sixth man this previous season if Tmac was healthy so would you rather have Ron Artest or Luther Head as a sixth man. How about we trade Louis Scola for that aged Juwan Howard? Take Carl landry out of the equation and we can depend only on Chuck hayes as our main back up bigman or what about Ryan Bowen? Would you trade Yao ming for Drew Gooden who was Tmac's main big man in Orlando? I sure as heck wouldn't. In my honest opinion if those role players were that great then we wouldn't have traded them. What about we redo that whole Rocket Knification again as some called it and get our bench from that. Besides Mutumbo we really didn't get much out of that phase. Heck Raefer is still Raefer out there in Orlando and I think as some have pointed he isn't as depended on to score like he was here but he's still that streaky Raefer. Would we prefer depending on Aaron brooks to carry some of that scoring load or Raefer? How about we go out there and pick up Swift and the never playing Bonzi Wells again.... anyone? I have been on this site for a long time now Tinman. In fact it seems like I signed up a few months after you did. We've all seen this team during its highs and lows. Heck I still remember us petitioning to stand outside city hall with signs to keep the Houston Rockets in Houston and if it weren't for Clutch telling us to hold we would all have been out there. Nothing makes me, like alot of you guys, happier than seeing this team do well. But we have to realize we haven't been stacked until just this previous season which Tmac wasn't healthy enough to truly get a chance and show what he could contribute. I believe he deserves one last chance with this roster and if all fails we can send him and his contract packing. If we do trade him though I truly hope we are able to pick up something who can contribute at either an equivalent to what a healthy tmac can offer or better. I do however not see that happening. If the Rockets handle this situation like the Pippen situation where it showed we were desperate to trade and ended up picking up scrubs in Stacy Augmon, Walt Williams, and Kevin Cato, then what good would that do? I am not completely opposed to trading Tmac but I do not think it is an issue that needs to truly be forced. Before Tmac we did try surrounding Yao with a second tier star in Francis, Mobley and so on. that didn't work out. If we do lose Tmac I sure hope it is someone we can trust to go to at the end of the games and could truly create. I also hope that player can get the ball to Yao as we have all seen this past season is no easy task. I am sure that describes the stars like Roy, Dwade, Lebron, Chris Paul.... but could we possibly get any of those players by just trading Tmac's contract? 28 million dollars is still 28 million dollars to throw away in a year and I don't see anyone wanting to just pick up that big tab on a player that might not be able to play and give us anything useful for it. But if He can play and does contribute do we then want to trade him? If Morey can pull some sort of magic out of this situation during the offseason then so be it. I don't think this situation is as easy as let's just send him packing this offseason.
