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Tracy "Jump-shooter" McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bratna8, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. jasonemilio

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    Look, I'm the hardest guy on Tmac when he screws up because I love him (as a player). But blaming our losses in the playoffs on him is stupid. Orlando years, maybe, because he gave up that 3-1 by himself.......because he was the only reason they got there anyways, just like Lebron did. (though Lebron is a little bit smarter and doesn't guarantee any wins before a game)

    Both JVG and Jon Barry, people who coached and played with him, both said he could NOT be blamed for the losses. The guy literally accounted for 95% of our offensive production, especially during the Jazz series. In fact, I'm bringing this fact up again, Jon Barry said during one of their games in which he worked on that there were less than 7 possessions that Tmac didn't account for.
    With that being said, I do feel that he is our sword in which we live and die by, so you just live with it. Yao may be our future (and should be right now), but Tmac is cog that makes our engine run. However, with that being said, whenever he doesn't decide to show up (I'm ashamed to admit), our whole team goes with him. Conversely, when he does decide to show some energy and ATTACK the basket, good things usually happen, and Yao usually responds well, and consequently, our whole team usually plays well and we usually win.

    P.S Lay off Tmac and Yao for a second will ya? Atleast wait until everything's done and the dust settles.
     
  2. Panda

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    T-Mac is soft, there's no other ways to describe it. The guy has amazing talent but a fragile ego. Sleepwalking through games only get up to play in final minutes for the credits, jacking up long range shots without giving respect to the offense and teammates like it's a special status thing, smiling when losing, where's heart and leadership? As long as he doesn't wake up and play hard every night, and put winning before his ego this team won't go far.
     
  3. Nitro1118

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    He didn't choke down the stretch...he went 2-4 in final quarter, and had 2 assists in final 5 minutes. And is leading your team almost single handedly back from 16 down in the 2nd half not clutch? Yao got hot in the 4th quarter, scoring 14, so of course T-Mac wasn't taking 7-8 shots that quarter.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    Good Point

    Maybe he shies away from the drive. . . because he don't want the pressure to make those free throws

    Rocket River
     
  5. Rocket River

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    That is the Problem

    Rocket River
     
  6. northeastfan

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    Bingo. It is not a knock on TMac. It is a knock on our personnel; we need other players who can handle the ball and create.
     
  7. ShadyMcGrady

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    lol...wow. Kobe rides Shaq all game and then closes the game. I commend him for that, not knocking him at all (he's f***ing talented), but wow.

    T-Mac doesn't have the talent around him Kobe did when he got out of the first round and if you think he did well you don't know ***** frankly. If you think Yao is better than the 00-03 Shaq and the rest of our role players are better than the 00-03 role players and if JVG and whoever else we've had lately is better than Phil Jackson you really don't know *****... no offense.

    You won't admit Kobe couldn't get out of the first round on his own. You won't admit Kobe quit on his team. You won't admit Kobe likes to ballhog as much as T-Mac and that he trashes on his organization publicly. You won't admit Kobe let a 3-1 lead drop.

    You are just going to keep saying how Kobe is more clutch. How Kobe is more intense, more passionate, etc. etc. If results are what counts, Kobe is no better than T-Mac.

    Look dude I am not going to cover for the fact T-Mac plays soft a lot. I am not going to cover for the fact he plays lazy sometimes. I am not going to cover T-Mac missing the second round with the Rockets. I am not going to defend him he plays bad in these playoffs (I don't think he played bad vs. Utah for the record) but don't make it out to be that Kobe is such a martyr. He has his flaws too.

    If T-Mac is being traded, fine. You are not getting talent in return of his level. You will have to trade him for a bunch of "little" talents and hope they mesh which they won't and we will suck on. The only player you could want in return is someone like Wade, Anthony, LeBron, etc. etc. but that's not happening.

    If you want Jason Kidd on this team INSTEAD of Tracy McGrady...we are going to be in for a long couple of seasons.
     
  8. luzhiling29

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    Yes,And people here really think somebody is a "GOD".
    Someone who were fans of somebody ,thought it will bring championship by somebody oneself.

    "Play basketball by correce way."
    I think so.the keywords is the "Team".
     
  9. realtmacfans

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    i have never thought obout it,he isn't only a jump-shooter,i know it's only a joke ;)
     
  10. Alvin Choo

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    well, i thought its good shot selection for tmac at that last quarter. To shoot instead of taking the drive.
     
  11. Rowdie Brandon

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    2-4 in the final quarter ain't gonna get it done in game 7 of the playoffs......Luther, Rafer, etc. were the ones that really brought us back, but tmac did little to actually close the game out........he made a layup with about 5 minutes left then after that he didn't score until the very end when the game was already over..................I'd call that choking....especially for a guy who claimed "it's on me"



    did the words Tmac has better talent around him than Kobe did in his championship days come out of my mouth???????????........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....NO......the point is he has had and has plenty of talent to get out of the "1ST ROUND" of the freagin playoffs.....I wonder what the excuse will be this year???.............maybe "the power dancers just didn't bring the energy tonight....that's why we lost game 7...excuse me while I go cry"........seriously stop with the excuses there's a reason why the guy has never been past the 1st round..........
     
  12. Rowdie Brandon

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    because he is......kobe doesn't have the talent around him to get out the 1st round...................tmac now does.............no excuses for captain softness..



    I don't care at this point...I'd rather get some young pieces and a draft pick or two, because it's pointless to keep this guy here.....yes he's more talented, but a okay season and a 1st round exit is not the reason we brought the guy here.....and how could you name thos other guys without mentioning kobe?.......Kobe > Anthony............
     
  13. EssTooKayTD

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    Wow, you need some woosah mang.
     
  14. ShadyMcGrady

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    Why I didn't mention Kobe? Because in my opinion Kobe is not a better fit with the Rockets than T-Mac. The same things would happen to Kobe that happen to T-Mac in the playoffs (getting doubled, forcing the ball out of his hands) and then the rest of the team won't step up and we will lose in the first round. IF (I am not saying you do) you think Kobe can fight his way out of every double team to win a playoff series on his own, well you've been proved wrong 3 times. If the rest of the team won't show up, Yao is going to get harrassed, Kobe will get doubled and become not as useful. T-Mac is a better playmaker than Kobe and you're blind if you think that's not true.

    The only reason I said someone like Wade, Anthony, LeBron is because they are young superstars who can only get better (better than they already are) and they have more of a base to build around. Kobe's not getting any younger and like I have said he's not going to be much better than T-Mac as a Rocket. And don't make excuses about Kobe either. He chucks up bricks during crunch time too that loses the game for the Lakers and sometimes their fans get pissed off. You can have the passion of Ronny Turiaf does that make you better than T-Mac? Hell no. Kobe let a 3-1 lead drop. Defend that. (Oh I know, it's the talent around him?) Kobe won't get out of the first round without Shaq. Defend that. Kobe's talent level now is about the same as T-Mac's in Orlando.

    I mean T-Mac does of course deserve blame for not getting out of the first round, that's obvious, but he has played pretty well considering he was doubled a lot vs. Utah (and Utah weren't no pansies on defense). Why are you only blaming T-Mac? What is trading him going to achieve? Why aren't you blaming role players, why aren't you blaming Yao? Why aren't you blaming coaching?

    I know T-Mac says stupid things like "It's on me" but that's irrelevant to his on court performance so don't go there. All I know is, T-Mac's not getting traded midseason so wait until the playoffs to pass your judgement. Honestly T-Mac is going to play pretty well and you know it. It depends on if the rest of the team shows up to back up him and Yao.
     
  15. Ducky

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    GOOD point, but I think the head coach knows it, so does the GM.


    what are you gonna do?
     
  16. Rowdie Brandon

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    you people must not watch basketball......facing double teams and being able to break down the defense by "penetrating" is what superstars have always and will always do.....and Tmac getting doubled is overrated...there were MANY times in game 7 last year down the stretch where Derek Fisher was guarding him one on one and he elected to shoot a jump shot...and clank it......the fact that Kobe can even take his subpar team to the playoffs and actually be competitive is amazing....if he actually had talent around him (like Tmac) this team would not question it's heart, killer instinct, leadership, etc...and we would've definitely made it out of the 1st round by now....

    while I do agree that those guys "can" get better the bottom line is that Kobe is just as good and in melo's case better than all of them when looking at all aspects of the game..........Kobe's not getting any younger???....well either is Yao or Tmac....Kobe is in his prime and we want to win "now".....pairing Kobe with Yao would automatically take us from "pretenders" to "contenders"....

    Depending on who we could get for him it could mean at least getting out of the 1st round....year after year things have changed for this guy....teammates, coaches, GMs, etc....yet he still isn't satisfied.....he is and has always been the rockets biggest problem since he's gotten here....I'm not saying his teammates are perfect and that we should have 4 titles under our belt, but the man has plenty of help and opportunities to get out of the 1st round since he's been a rocket...the excuses are wearing thin............

    playing "pretty well" doesn't cut it come playoff time...."pretty well" might get you by in a pickup game with old men named Cleophus and Marvin at your local YMCA, but not in the NBA....."great" players are able to rise to the occassion even when they don't have the "perfect" teammates around.....if you can flashback to 1993 game 6 of the NBA Finals you can remember a 4th period where outside of Michael Jordan no one else scored a single basket (besides the final shot by Paxson)......last year Lebron's teammates went cold on him against Detroit and he carried them......the point is things don't always perfectly go your way on the basketball court and that is why your team superstars and leaders are there to makeup for those short comings.....what Tmac really wants is a team with a real leader and loads of talent to makeup for his inabilities as a player......he has shown in the past "in spurts" that he is capable of leading a team...he just refuses to do it for whatever reason..........
     
  17. jerm2010

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    If they leave him open for the jumper hes gonnna shoot..

    I dont see why he wouldnt anyway

    Always a complain after Mac has a good game

    I just dont get it
     
  18. Rowdie Brandon

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    because we look at the big picture...one decent game doesn't make up for an entire season.....and a win doesn't automatically mean that you played well.....Tmac was good overall the other night, but missed FTs and dissapearing down the stretch brought his overall performance down a few notches.........
     
  19. Ashes

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    Are you kidding me? Tracy McGrady attempted 57 free throws in the playoffs last year. What are you even talking about? Did you watch the series? Did you bother to even LOOK up these stats before speaking? Let me translate that for you. That equates to a little over 8 attempts a game. Oh, and to answer your question, LeBron James shot 41% from the field, averaged 20 shots a game, and averaged 9.8 free throw attempts per game. But he could never lead a team to the Finals, could he? In fact, it's hard to find many other players getting to the line more than T-Mac did.

    So, you were saying?
     
  20. kidwai88

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    would u rather him shoot jumpers or free throws which he cant make?
     

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