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TPM: Barak isn't Jesus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Feb 7, 2008.

  1. deepblue

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    I was responding to the piece you posted (which contain no real issues), how it sums up the Obama voters.
     
  2. Major

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    Yes, it would be much better to run a campaign by focusing on the little details of a health care plan that he could just spin however he wants since no one can understand those things anyway.
     
  3. LScolaDominates

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    This line about Obama supporters just feeling some abstract sense of leadership from him is particularly distrurbing to me, as many will remember that it was the exact line that Bush supporters used in his reelection campaign.

    You want to say that Obama transcends traditional politics? Fine. Tell me how.
     
  4. mc mark

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    You're twisting the words of what the article was saying. But go ahead if it makes you feel superior. But whatever your reasoning, I hope he has your vote!
     
  5. LScolaDominates

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    In my opinion, that is much better. At least there's a chance that some meaningful communication between candidates and voters will take place. Obama's style is to throw out a bunch of meaningless crap with the hope that some of it will stick to the wall.
     
  6. deepblue

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    They all have plans, and their plans are different.

    Obama's campaign has been an exact carbon copy of Deval Patrick's, and so far on the job Deval has been terrible. So call me a cynic, I care more about issues than the ability to give a good speech.
     
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    Hehe ... how about starting with his own campaign finance? You know the facts are out there, but Obama supporters choose to turn a blind eye.
     
  8. Major

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    No it wasn't. He certainly made the "uniter" claim - but I didn't see any change in the electorate. He appealed to the same base of voters. He didn't do anything particularly new or different.

    Why? It's already been stated at least a dozen times. You'll just ignore it, and then repeat the question a few days later.
     
  9. Major

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    OK, Clinton has been talking nonstop about her health care plan. Please feel free to summarize it - how it will work, who will pay, how the mandate works, how it will affect your health insurance rates and quality of doctor care; how it affects the insurance industry, your personal plan, and drug prices; whether it would make it more or less likely your employer will provide coverage; how it will affect an employer's contributions.

    If you think talking about plans will make a big difference - share the details of hers. She's certainly talked about it for months upon months.
     
  10. Major

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    Yes, I'm deeply concerned about that $25 he took from a PAC that you pointed out. Of his ~$150,000,000 raised so far, that 0.00002% is a HUGE concern.
     
  11. MR. MEOWGI

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    It's the same kind of people who get taken in by a Joel Osteen etc.

    Blech.
     
  12. Achilleus

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    Nickelback supports him? It just keeps getting worse.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    He's gone over his plan for change. I've modified my post, and maybe it is clearer now.
     
  15. deepblue

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    Well my guy Romney flamed out :mad: , I can't say I am happy about any of the remaining candidates. Not that my vote would matter much come November in Boston .
     
  16. mc mark

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    Mass appeal MEOWGI!

    :D
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    No he's running on working toward the change, and his plan for that change, and how hard it will be, the sacrifice it will require, and then how it will be worth it in the end.

    It isn't just hoping that it happens.
     
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    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/dissent-of-th-3.html

    Dissent Of The Day

    14 Feb 2008 04:41 pm

    A reader writes:

    I find this criticism bewildering. Obama has a host of policy positions, on taxes, healthcare, Iraq, Afghanistan, immigration, climate change, and this blog has mentioned or debated many of them. There seems to be a meme that because someone is inspiring, there has to be no substance. But they are not mutually exclusive categories. In the Democratic race, the only real substantive difference is healthcare mandates, which I've aired a great deal. And compared with McCain, Obama is a wonk.
     
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