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TPM: Barak isn't Jesus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Feb 7, 2008.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    They are certainly as large a portion of the vote there, as the Pakistani vote is in the nation. That doesn't stop you from talking about some imagined alienation.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    I'm talking about Pakistanis. Not Pakistani-Americans. When Ubama says he'll send troops into your country, that ain't good.

    You're off to a rough morning, FB. Another PWN3RSHIP
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    You obviously don't know what Obama said, as has already been shown.

    But if that's what you're talking about that's even more stupid than I had originally thought. Obama isn't claiming to be a uniter of every nation in the world. For you to pretend that only highlights your ignorance on yet another issue.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Ubama did say he would send troops in there. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/01/wobama101.xml PWN3D

    Deckard is voting for Hussein Ubama for his great ability to unite foreign nations. Just like by sending troops into Pakistan and by banning all Chinese toys.

    FB, really rough morning for you. The PWN3RSHIP express has flattened you.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Yep saw the link, and that doesn't change anything. Because a headline claims it was so doesn't make it so. I'm waiting to see the quote from Obama where he says that.

    But I would hope that he would go after Obama if we knew where he was and nobody else would. I'm sorry that you're scared of Pakistan that it's frightening to you. I hope you get over your fear soon
     
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    GWB has altered laws or ignored Congress altogether over 1100 times during his 7 years via 'signing statements' setting the precedent of the imperial presidency.

    I doubt Obama would use this precedent as much as past presidents, especially if he has a Democratic Congess. But I could see him settinging up a challenge to this Chavez-like rule by decree just to get the conservative Supreme Court to limit the power for future presidents.
     
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    Good to hear you've shifted your goalpost again - less than 12 hours after the previous one. Now, only certain Latinos count? The estimated 50,000 Latinos in Virginia are irrelevant? You're just like Mark Penn - caucuses don't count, red states don't count, states with large numbers of educated people don't count, states with large black populations don't count, etc. Apparently, the demographics are bad for Hillary in about 80% of states, so only the other 20% count. Nice to see you following the same bizarre logic.
     
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    I can't wait until Texas doesn't count.
     
  9. Dubious

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    George Bush, Karl Rove, Tom Delay, Dick Armey, John Cornyn, The Gramm Family, Alberto Gonzales, Enron

    Yep, I think a lot of people are ready for Texas to step back.
     
  10. weslinder

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    Nah, it's really time for Texas to step up.

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  11. Rockets2K

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    Nolen,

    It is unfortunate that your post was probably skimmed over by most.

    its the best post I have ever read in here

    It makes up for all the other crap one has to read through in here.

    please keep it up. ;)
     
  12. Nolen

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    Wow! [blush] Thanks dude!
     
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    I agree -- great post Nolen.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    Obama supporters are a cult of personality, pure and simple. They are mesmerized by this messiah and throw their brains out the window to follow him. He is leading sheep. Only a mindless sheep would follow a man with no experience, no accomplishments in life, who says virtually nothing of substance.

    Obama offers hope to those vapid, wandering souls that want someone to solve all their problems, to tell them what to do, to give them what they need. People with sense know that this is false hope, that these promises can never be fulfilled. That hoping something will happen never got anything done. It's vision, principles, reason, desire, action that we need. Not Oprah or Joel Osteen or Obama. These people all attract followers who are weak of mind, who can't think and take action for themselves, who have no direction in life.

    The kinds of people that hope their life will get better, rather than do something to make it better, are the kind of people that look to Obama for salvation. He will dissapoint you.
     
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    Quoted for Absolute Truth...
     
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    Funny, given that Obama is the only candidate actually asking people to participate in improving their situation, while Hillary is constantly saying how she will fix this or that. Nice try, though. Still no specifics on Hillary's "experience" and "management skills" I see.
     
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    I have had some limited experience in the military as both a leader and a follower, and I can tell you that charisma and oratory skills and personality are a part of leadership, but none of that can replace sound judgement. If you make bad decisions, everyone will doubt you, no matter how good your leadership skills are. People follow the guy who knows what he is talking about, who has a record of achievement.

    Anyone in business knows how you resent the manager that talks a good game but you know he has no clue what he is doing. Eli Manning didn't have all of those vaunted leadership skills people talk about. But when he started getting the job done, quietly and efficiently, his teammates trusted his judgement and followed him.

    Good judgement comes from experience, preparation, hard work. Obama hasn't done a thing in his life to demonstrate good judgement in a leadership role (casting some votes doesn't cut it, sorry).

    If I were interviewing him I would ask this simple question: Can you tell me when you had to make a difficult decision that would affect people under you? How did you go about making this decision? What was the result? These kinds of questions are asked of any potential manager or executive at a job interview,yet Obama is getting a free pass on account of his personality and charisma.
     
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    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obama_casts_his_spell.html

    Obama Casts His Spell
    By Charles Krauthammer

    WASHINGTON -- There's no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns -- boat, shoe, clock -- by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.

    And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.

    This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity -- salvation -- for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."

    "We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country -- nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."

    And believe they do. After eight straight victories -- and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow -- Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do -- maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats -- the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.

    Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.

    ABC's Jake Tapper notes the "Helter-Skelter cultish qualities" of "Obama worshipers," what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls "the Cult of Obama." Obama's Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience -- to such rhetorical nonsense as "We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek."

    That was too much for Time's Joe Klein. "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism ... ," he wrote. "The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."

    You might dismiss The New York Times' Paul Krugman's complaint that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality" as hyperbole. Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama's Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."

    I've seen only one similar national swoon. As a teenager growing up in Canada, I witnessed a charismatic law professor go from obscurity to justice minister to prime minister, carried on a wave of what was called Trudeaumania.

    But even there the object of his countrymen's unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.

    Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's President Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.

    Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House. My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude
     
  19. Desert_Rocket

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    Are you getting Hillary and Obama confused? Your post is well written but not well thought out. Obama is the one who wants to create change by enlightening us to to go out and make that change ourselves. Hillary is the one who is going to play "mommy" to those in need and solve their issues for them. Barack don't roll like that.
     
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    The one-issue voter speaks!!!
     

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