I find that OddsOn posts are most entertaining when read aloud using the professional wrestler interviewing voice... I like the use of "simpletons", but in the future, he should use more references to "pencil-necked geeks"... or call us "fatties".
Talk about selective reasoning....did you come up with that all by yourself? Here is another one for you which you won't have to selectively interpret... John Adams: “ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
No, I had many teachers and authors who contributed. Again, that does not mean what you think it means. (If it is even a true Adams quote... I can find lots of mentions, but not one source and it does not appear here: http://www.masshist.org/digitaladams/aea/) Anyway, here's Adams talking on the same subject... More from Adams... And you are aware that President John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli, which stated... (I have to ask myself, why am I arguing quotes with you when I have repeatedly pointed out that the Churchill quote in your sig is false... as in he didn't say it... and the Jefferson quote cannot be found in any reputable scholarly source.)
Would you care to point out what parts of the constitution were based on which parts of the bible? For the record I believe you are wrong. I can point to Greek and Roman examples of Republics, and Democracies that are far more a base for our constitution than the bible. So I'm curious as to which parts of the constitution you believe were based on the bible. You've made a claim. Please back it up.
Where in that does he mention the bible? What in that mentions specific parts of the constitution that were based on parts of the bible? You have yet to provide any evidence.
I've noticed that many of the ideas OddsOn puts out there as fact, turn out to be entirely wrong, and usually have long since been shown to be wrong. For some reason he chooses to believe to things that are wrong, rather than be upset that someone sold him a bill of goods. I would be seriously angry if someone got me to believe that the Constitution was based on the bible, and then shown that it wasn't. OddsOn seems angry a lot of the time, but the anger is never towards the people trying to get him to believe things that aren't true.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams.) Fail. If you need me to pull out the crayons to explain this text.......I can. I got the time.
We can post selective quotes all day long. Here are few from your website link that enforce my arguement... Also let me clarify that these (not all but most) were men of faith and were at the same time fearful of a government imposing one religion on its people. Thus the first amendment was forged out of the fact they had fled religious persecution from England to found the colonies.
Belief in "God" or a higher power does not mean our country was founded......as you say often.....on "Christian beliefs." To say this country was built on Christian principles is ignorant and naive.
This quote seems appropos, in light of your fearless defense of your position: "Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning
Your first quote is from the diary of John Adams dated December 26, 1765. The second quote is from Abigail to John and is representative not only of wingers getting their facts wrong, but being unable to distinguish between the public lives and the private thoughts of the Founders. Yes, Adams was a religious man... even thinking of going into the clergy at one point in his life... but his public writings and thinking about government are not the same as his private religious beliefs. The third is a letter from John to Abigail. (If I wanted to be snarky, I could point out that he was referencing July 2.) Again, this is private correspondence between husband and wife where their private beliefs come into play with the first mention. He then goes on to describe things that are quite secular in nature. He then tempers his enthusiasm with an assessment of the real world tasks and toils ahead and finishes with an appeal to his personal God to give him strength to accomplish those real world things. There is nothing in theses quotes that supports your original contention. (And again, your sig quotes make you look ridiculous.)
I think you are being a bit narrow minded to think that someone personal beliefs don't influence the rest of their lives.
