This was StupidMoniker's definition of torture- "Causing permanent physical damage to someone, either to force compliance or for entertainment."
I think with enough tharapy even someone who is raped should be able to get on with their lives. Even so, I will specifically exempt rape from the things I am okay with, just for you guys (although in many cases, rape does cause permanent physical damage, which would make it fall already under the previous umbrella of things I would not allow).
"getting on with their lives" and "permanent physical/psychological damage" are not mutually exclusive.
No. That's the whole point behind the language used in the Geneva Conventions... they didn't want to literally define it because then every little jerk like Bush and Gonzales would try to design stuff that goes right up to the line (or in their case, over it) and then they would try to justify it with twisted language straight out of a Carlin bit. Of course, you know this already and this has been pointed out before in this forum, but you repeatedly bring up torture to... what? Agitate those of us who find torture reprehensible and can't stand that there is even a debate on this, much less an acceptance? Or is it to put forward some selfish political argument? Or perhaps you are so scared of the world that you can only seek comfort in the torture of others? I don't know, but I do know you should go read some Robert Jackson and start acting like an American instead of sucking up to the values of tinhorn dictators. The healthy man does not torture others - generally it is the tortured who turn into torturers. --Carl Jung
dude honestly. whenever you have to say you will exempt rape from things you are ok with...theres something really wrong.
As can be seen by this thread we can see why Abu Graib is in some ways like apple pie and motherhood for certain armchair warrior supporters of the Bush regime.
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Well, I "perceive" you started this thread, titled Definition of Torture ... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=105952 and this one titled Torture: 24 is not a documentary... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=118359 then there's this one where you ask for a definition of torture in the second post of the thread... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=111727 In this thread, you ask, "beheadings vs. watching women parade around in thong underware, hmmmmm, which one sounds more like "torture?" http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=96136 There are probably more, but that's cool because according to you, it's not reality that you're obsessed with this topic.
The reason that they created that whole class of 'enemy combattant' was because the Geneva Conventions have nothing to say about them. Therefore under the conventions, there is no restriction on torturing 'enemy combatants'. It was a legal mechanism to circumvent the conventions. But if I remember correctly, with regards to POW's and noncombattants the Geneva Conventions don't define torture at all, only say it is not allowed. edit: The following is from the third convention. Again it doesn't apply to enemy combattants, only POW's, but it does seem to indicate the idea that torture can be mental in form: [rquoter] No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind. [/rquoter] Also the conventions often couple the two phrases, 'humane treatment or torture'.
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