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[TORTURE] CIA destroyed videotapes of interrogations.

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  1. insane man

    insane man Member

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    i never said i would sell it. that wasn't an offer but a solicitation for an offer. frivolous lawsuit pwned.
     
  2. rhadamanthus

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    Reviewed? how about ignored. Until they became a serious liability after Abu Ghraib (2004) and the impending democratic congress in 2006.
     
  3. rhadamanthus

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    Bush is, of course, saying that he never knew or heard about the tapes.


    It's amazing: he never hears or reads about anything incriminating, negative, or counter to his own stance -- but if its helpful to his "truthiness" ideology, it's niger yellow cake reports all over the place....

    What an idiot. And anyone who supports him still too.
     
  4. mc mark

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    via TPM --

     
  5. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    BTW

    Seems there's a pattern of destroying stuff. --


    CREW: Bush admin. lost more than ten million e-mails


    "I will tell you, by the way, that it's way higher than five million. It's more than 10 million," said Anne Weismann, a former Justice Department attorney who now serves as chief counsel for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

    Media reports have generally put the number of e-mails the Bush administration is reported to have lost from 2003-2006 at roughly five million. That was the number White House Press Secretary Dana Perino mentioned in an April press conference, when she admitted that millions of e-mails may have disappeared from the Executive Office of the President (EOP) archives.

    But Weismann said sources close to Congressional and private investigations of the missing e-mail scandal had informed her that more than twice as many e-mails were unaccounted for by the Bush administration.

    http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30533
     
  6. Rashmon

    Rashmon Member

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    Tapes? What tapes?

    Emails? What emails?
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    The Department of Justice makes decisions about these matters. The CIA did not ignore anything. They were probably following the letters of recommendation perfectly and video taping to make sure they did so.

    CIA does not make policy, the DoJ gives opinions.

    I am not agreeing with anything that was done but the CIA is certainly not where the buck start or stops.
     
  8. rhadamanthus

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    Oops. Busted.

    link

    Lucky for you, CaseyH, your heroes at the CIA might get off thanks to the US concentration camp system.
     
  9. insane man

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    WRONG. in abdallah, the lawyers notified CIA not to destroy potential evidence due to a court order ordering them not to destroy potential evidence regarding this stuff.

    they violated the law. and then they tried to cover it up. and color me shocked when our CIA can't cover up its tracks properly and get the story right.

    the incompetence of this administration cannot be overstated. even solid hawkish right wingers have bailed. you can defend any policy you want of thi administration. but to deny its incompetence is a testament to your utter lack of judgment.
     
  10. mc mark

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    I'm shocked! SHOCKED I tell you!

    White House lawyers Alberto Gonzales, David S. Addington, John B. Bellinger III, and Harriet E. Miers all took part in discussions with the CIA between 2003 and 2005 about whether to destroy the interrogation videotapes.


    :rolleyes:

    Bush Lawyers Discussed Fate of C.I.A.Tapes

    By MARK MAZZETTI and SCOTT SHANE

    WASHINGTON — At least four top White House lawyers took part in discussions with the Central Intelligence Agency between 2003 and 2005 about whether to destroy videotapes showing the secret interrogations of two operatives from Al Qaeda, according to current and former administration and intelligence officials.

    The accounts indicate that the involvement of White House officials in the discussions before the destruction of the tapes in November 2005 was more extensive than Bush administration officials have acknowledged.

    Those who took part, the officials said, included Alberto R. Gonzales, who served as White House counsel until early 2005; David S. Addington, who was the counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney and is now his chief of staff; John B. Bellinger III, who until January 2005 was the senior lawyer at the National Security Council; and Harriet E. Miers, who succeeded Mr. Gonzales as White House counsel.

    It was previously reported that some administration officials had advised against destroying the tapes, but the emerging picture of White House involvement is more complex. In interviews, several administration and intelligence officials provided conflicting accounts as to whether anyone at the White House expressed support for the idea that the tapes should be destroyed.

    One former senior intelligence official with direct knowledge of the matter said there had been “vigorous sentiment” among some top White House officials to destroy the tapes. The former official did not specify which White House officials took this position, but he said that some believed in 2005 that any disclosure of the tapes could have been particularly damaging after revelations a year earlier of abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

    Some other officials assert that no one at the White House advocated destroying the tapes. Those officials acknowledged, however, that no White House lawyer gave a direct order to preserve the tapes or advised that destroying them would be illegal.

    The destruction of the tapes is being investigated by the Justice Department, and the officials would not agree to be quoted by name while that inquiry is under way.

    Spokesmen for the White House, the vice president’s office and the C.I.A. declined to comment for this article, also citing the inquiry.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/19/w...int&adxnnlx=1198073113-gsxUmS3jJgFv/sS7yE7w9A
     
  11. rimrocker

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    The Rude Pundit eschews rudeness for outrage.

    Click on the link for his supporting links...

     
  12. mc mark

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    This is beautiful...

    Today's press conference on when Jr knew about the tapes.

     
  13. brantonli24

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    Frankly, I won't be surprised if the US government suddenly declared nuclear war on the entire world. Those people in power are liable to do anything. But I do wonder, has Bush himself actually seen the tapes? Did he know what he would be in for when he ran for President, and ran again? I mean, if you were just voted the most powerful man in the world, and then the CIA starts giving you these tapes of torture, wouldn't you think about the country for a moment?

    Of course, all of that is merely hypothetical, but I just wondered.....
     
  14. updawg

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    I like that quote also. Basically, he is saying everyone knows we are lying but we won't admit it.
     

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