Funny thing about Mayo is he is a big reason they lost last year to the Clippers. He was terrible in the games they lost.
Absolutely Correlation does not equal causation. They were never fully healthy as a unit once the core of Z-Bo, Gasol, Conley, and Gay became established and Memphis became a playoff contender. Gay was injured one year and Z-Bo wasn't fully healthy last year. He was recovering from ligament damage to his knee. This could have been the year where it all came together. Unfortunately for them they're more or less stuck with what they have. By the time they can make significant changes the window will have closed. Your simplistic "analysis" has fooled you into believing this team is better than they actually are, but I explained it in the post you were replying to. Memphis benefited from other teams having all-stars injured. The Griz probably don't get past the Clippers if Blake Griffin isn't hurt and they definitely don't get past OKC if RWB is playing. They struggled in every game against OKC without Westbrook. You're using false logic. You should pay closer attention to the post were replying to, because Z-Bo and Gasol not playing well was discussed. They also miss Gay's perimeter scoring. When you have to rely on Pondexter and Bayless, your team is in trouble. When you play 3 vs 5 offensively with Allen and Prince out there, teams don't have to guard those two and can collapse on their bigs making life hell for Randolph and Gasol. If they had Gay and/or even Mayo, that wouldn't happen and things would be much easier for their bigs. But instead you have Allen and Prince who are both zeroes offensively, Pondexter who's just a spot-up shooter with below average ball-handling skills, and Jerrod Bayless who thinks he's a lot better than he actually is. Their play calling when attempting game winning shots at the end of regulation has been atrocious. Anybody can see that. Did you see the play they drew up last night? Mike Conley flipping up a wild right handed shot over Splitter. Too bad they don't have a guy who excels in those situations anymore. I can't really blame Hollins, because he's doing the best he can with what he has. He knew this team pre-trade had the chance to make a legitimate title run, which is why he spoke out against all the trade rumors publicly before anybody was moved. Again, they don't have a single victory against a fully healthy team in the playoffs yet and they might not get one.
All I know is that without Gay they had the best regular season record after he was traded AND they made it into the WC Finals and been competitive every single game. Gay is clearly NOT on Durant's level.
This topic has been beat to death. There some like myself that think they miss the wing scoring of gay. Others think he was a chucker who took shots away from zach and gasol. Posters have the right to their own opinions. I'm open to trading anyone pretty much,but at least upgrade the talent or at least replace it. To my understanding they had like 2 more yrs b4 they would be in lux tax land. I probably would've rode that out especially after getting off to the great start. Once hollinger entered the ship and his known dislike for gays game came on, the team struggled until the trade happened. Once they made the trade,they played some really good ball. I guess we will see if he can turn ed davis or austin daye into better players. The future always tell the truth.
Hey look Kwame donned his leather gimp costume and is going to let himself get b****slapped into next week by his Gay past. This is boring now. You clearly dont care anymore or else you wouldnt be making such a spectacle of yourself. It's over. You and leebster lost. A familiar place for you here. The last we heard from you on this you we're claiming that
2010 - Rudy Gay played 80 games, no playoffs 2011 - no Gay, made second round of playoffs and took OKC to 7 2012 - healthy Gay as playoff leader, first round exit 2012 -no Gay, WCF What more should be written? Is this just coincidence? Regardless of individual talent and a clear scoring problem, this team has been better without Gay.
I thought Kwame just hated Battier, didn't realize it was actually just a love affair with Gay. At this point it's pretty clear Gay is exactly who Morey thought he was.
Lol, this is what happens when a person has nothing left to say. Thank you for your tacit admission of defeat. Here's what the coach of the Grizzlies wanted: http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...ollins-focused-san-antonio-spurs-not-contract Hollins new that they could make a legitimate title run with their core pre-trade. Here's what Hollins said just yesterday: http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=89358 Let me interpret this quote for you: He's saying that he wishes his team still had Rudy Gay. The Grizzlies still have ZERO victories this post-season against a team that's fully healthy. They're fool's gold, which is why they're on the verge of getting swept. You lose SamFisher.
They reached the WCF. What's there to say? Even if they got swept they still are better than a 1st round exit last season. Gay's useless, he's a mid-range shooter who has no other NBA caliber skill, except maybe his D which he improved under Hollins. You can't even argue Gay's better than Prince at this point, because Prince can hit corner threes and make passes to open players, something Gay hasn't learned 8 years of playing in the NBA. And that's not even considering his ridiculous max contract. Hollins may have wanted Gay to stay, but coaches generally want the sucky known to the unknown, like when Adelman protested trading Brooks for Dragic. Grit and grind? If Gay was around it would have been chuck and chuck.
Well Griffin and RW were hurt this year. In 2012 Zach was hurt for the grizz. You can make up whatever narrative you want, but I wouldn't say gay being hurt is the reason they did or did not get as far as they did.
Smh, c'mon man, here is what Tayshaun Prince gave you this post-season 6.9 ppg on 35% shooting, including 3-8 tonight with a staggering -20. He didn't do much defensively either. There's a reason he was benched and only played 17 mins tonight. Here's a sample of his "defense" from tonight: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Manu Ginobili drops a pretty assist through the defender's legs just now on ESPN! <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23LiveMas">#LiveMas</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NBARapidReplay">#NBARapidReplay</a> - <a href="http://t.co/XhgtxqxdFB" title="http://on.nba.com/19i1PNv">on.nba.com/19i1PNv</a></p>— NBA (@NBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBA/status/339192936795353088">May 28, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Says the person who correlates Memphis getting beat by Spurs as caused by them trading Rudy Gay. Basically you're saying that Rudy Gay doesn't "cause" anything. Which is the definition of mediocre player. One that's gonna get paid $19mil/yr. For that money, I want that player to be the cause of winning and not corrleate to losing.
Tonight was the final nail in the coffin for any argument that you supposedly had. Even Bill Simmons and Kevin Pelton, two supporters of the trade, have backtracked and have had second thoughts about the move. Here's what Kevin Pelton, somebody who supported the trade, had to say today in this article entitled Do the Grizzlies miss Rudy Gay?: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/play...iem-130527/do-memphis-grizzlies-miss-rudy-gay You can access the full article here: http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/index.php?showtopic=15925 Of course his article is full of apologetics as well since he supported the move: His concluding "analysis" doesn't even take into account that the Griz probably don't get past the Clippers if Blake Griffin is healthy and definitely don't beat the Thunder if RWB plays. They struggled in every game against the Thunder. The Griz had ZERO victories over a team that was fully healthy this post-season. They are fool's gold and that's why they were swept. Don't even try to call me a Grizzlies hater, because I correctly predicted the result of almost every game that they played in this year's playoffs and made a very nice profit doing so. Please see the NBA Gambling Thread, because it's all documented. Lol, hope you're doing okay tonight buddy.
Lol are you serious? The hate for Gay on this board is flatout hilarious with statements like that. Gay isn't a superstar or even a star player but to say you can't even argue he is better than Tayshaun Prince right now is hilarious
Classic stupidity. Yeah, it would be nice if we could insert "theoretical" Rudy Gay into games during the last 5 minutes. However, reality Gay was for every game winning shot there was 4-5 of dibbling off his leg down the stretch and missed defensive assignments in close games. Go look at Gay's stats, then his salary and then tell me you would want that on your roster next year, let alone 2 years from now. Nah, I'll take the WCFs sweep knowing that we would have lost in round 1 with Rudy most likely. Plus add in the emergence of Mike Conley, who is better than Gay for half the cost, and I'll take it. Instead of trying to look for some end around answer, how about the Grizzlies lost to a more experienced team with better role players.
Grizzlies without Rudy Gay hasn't beaten a fully healthy team this post-season?' Grizzlies with Rudy Gay has made the playoffs only once, and lost in the first round.
