[Toronto Star]- Rockets talking about Donyell Marshall?

I disagree. JVG explicitly said that he feels Tmac is more of a 3 and the reason they wanted to make the trade was to get another ball handler on the floor that could help bring up that ball so Tmac could be set up to receive the ball in the flow of the offense. True, JJ was included to make salaries fit, but they wanted Wesley because he was another guard that could help in the offensive flow.

Marshall can play the 3 with success and he could play it here. But only in stretches if we are to believe what JVG wants from the players on the floor.

 

Regarding Philly being interested in Marshall. If Toronto insists that Rose be included in any deal with Marshall keep in mind that Philly DOES have a HUGE expiring contract in Glen Robinson that would be VERY appealing to Toronto. A HECK of a lot more interesting than Taylor. With Taylor Toronto just saves money. With Robinson Toronto saves money and YEARS which is huge.

Could a Rose+Marshall for Robinson+Green+Skinner deal be in the works?
To me that would be much more interesting than what we could offer unless we were willing to include a 1st round pick.

 

How would obtaining marshall and rose mess up our cap situation for the next few years? It was my understanding that In 2006 yao will become a free agent. IF we have rose's 15 million dollar salary on our books, wont that make it harder for us to give yao a big deal?

 

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MoT and Spoon for Rose, with Marshall for the TE in a technically "separate" deal, works capwise. Otherwise, if Toronto insists on more cap flexibility, substitute Barry (expiring contract) for Spoon, and add Ward (non-guaranteed third year) and Gaines. And maybe a pick or picks for additional enticement.

 

Barring the highly unlikely possibility of the NBA discarding Bird Rights in the next Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Rockets can be over the cap and still max Yao. It just comes down to whether Alexander wants to pay big bucks to TMac, Yao and Rose. There are potential Luxury Tax implications but that is entirely different from cap implications.

 

Git 'er done! Yesterday!

I have no reservations about Rose affecting our chemistry. He can't affect this team any worse than Mo Taylor. And Rose is exactly the kind of player that championship teams add to their rosters. A highly skilled player who has had some problems in the past and other teams consider is overpaid, who will come to a new environment, knowing that he is 3rd option at the best but knowing that if he plays within the system he has the opportunity to win multiple championships. His defensive intensity has been sorely lacking in Toronto. What is there to play for up there? But under Van Gundy I would look for a complete 180 in regards to that. And playing with TMac and Yao will change his attitude.

Marshall is definitely an upgrade and him and Howard would be good at the 4. I actually think that Marshall guards the mobile 4's even better than Howard does. I think Marshall would give players like Nowitzki more trouble than Howard. And of course he brings more to the table on the glass than either Howard or Mo.

Just look at our 1,2,3 spots if we pull off this deal. We started out this year with Ward, Lue, TMac, Gaines, JJ, and Boki at those spots with Sura on the IL. If we made this trade, we would have Sura, TMac, Wesley, Rose, Barrett, Barry, and possibly Strickland at those spots. Just look at the mismatches we can put on the floor with that bunch. Rose and TMac on the floor together overpowering and posting up smaller players. If Rose is getting beat on the ball on defense you can put in Wesley, put in Barrett and play small ball.

Your starters would be Sura, TMac, Yao.........with the other 2 spots being dictated by who we are playing. Rose would get plenty of minutes and plenty of starts and plenty of wins.

By the way, Rose has great defensive potential. He is long, smart, and relatively quick. He has just lacked the proper desire and motivation which happens to lots of players when they are playing in a losing situation. The main reason the spotlight is on Rose is because he is a max contract player. Players with max contracts aren't supposed to lack drive and motivation, but we have found out in the last 2 weeks of at least 3 of them that have been in that situation: Carter, TMac, and Rose. TMac has changed for the better and for that we have to give credit to Van Gundy and the Rockets management. I think they could do the same with Rose.

Shooters, shooters, shooters...........we would have them.

Philly isn't gonna turn loose Big Dog without getting either picks and expiring contracts, or a couple of major pieces for him. They are barely competing in the East. What is Rose and Marshall gonna bring them? It will cost them in the long run. The only way I can see them making a deal for Rose and Marshall is if they can send Toronto KT. Which contract and player would Toronto rather have KT or MoT? I just don't see Philly being able to give Toronto a better deal. I really think our main competition on this deal is Miami and it really comes down to who Miami is willing to give up. Toronto would take Jones for Rose I'm sure. But does Shaq wanna play with Rose? I would think Miami is gonna have to get more than Rose back from Toronto for some of their junk to make the trade worth doing on their end.

If we could pull off this deal without giving up our 1st rounder we've gotta do it. It would leave us our first rounder and the MLE and vets exception to make at least 3 upgrades to the roster in the offseason. Even if this trade cost us Deke, I think I would do it. And I really like Deke. I just feel like Marshall and Rose are worth the gamble. I would imagine Toronto probably would prefer to get Deke and Spoon instead of Mo. If so, then do it.

What I see, as our ultimate cap flexibility, is Yao. Whether he pans out or not, we are going to sign him to a max deal and if we want to trade him, we can get back almost anything we want. So, to me, there is very little risk in being over the salary cap. And who are we worried about losing really in the finality of it. TMac only at this point and TMac and Yao if indeed Yao does become the great player that we envision him becoming. By the time we figure that out, we are another year or so down the road and we have expiring contracts coming up. I just don't see any major risk in our salary cap situation with this deal.

Git 'er done!

 

i haven't liked rose since he broke mario elies wrist pushing him from underneath that dunk. but he would be a monster third scorer and marshall would be probably an upgrade over mo taylor.


edit: jopatmc, you can't do a deal with toronto without including mo taylor. if you traded mutombo instead you'd have 3 power forwards all wanting significant minutes, mo, juwon, and then marshall. toronto is the one desperately trying to get rid of rose's contract so they'd have to be willing to take mo's in return. plus no way does jvg trade mutombo who has been nothing but a positive and leave us with NO backup to yao who still only plays 31 minutes a night.