Every single trade rumor this week has involved the Rockets getting an over the hill player with an untradable contract. No thanks Raven
I wouldn't trade EG for A.D. this year. 1) AD costs too much and he is older. 2) I want to give EG another year to prove his worth. I would consider a similar trade at a better time. i.e. if the Rockets are seriouly contending for the title and EG is not producing, I would very much like a muscled veteran on my team.
You will never get a stright up trade like that. These two are too far away salary wise. The only chance is a package deal, in which EG is bundled with a couple of other players so that their total salary match that of Davis. But then to make it sensible BBall wise, Davis has to be bundled with cheap good players or valuable picks.
Trade declined. To match Wallace's salary, you have to throw in Rice as well. That sounds a bit too much.
Please no......Granted Davis would be a help this year and maybe next, but we need someone that can be more of a long term fix, plus he eats up a salary cap........damn, everyone already said this......i need to post sooner......
Again, the rest of the package does not work either when you break it down. They have no need for a Taylor or a Griffin when they can draft Bosh at #4. They have no need for Mobley because they have Vince Carter. You are vastly overrating EG and Mo's trade value. EG might fetch a mid 1st rounder, but certainly not a #4. If that was the case, the Rockets would have already dealt him. How can you possibly justify a player's stock rising when he has had to underacheiving years????
You sir, are crazy then. I can guarantee you not one team in this league would give up a #4 pick for Marshall straight up (even if it did work salary wise).
This seems like a very equitable deal. Give up Cat and Griff, but get back Spree, Kurt Thomas AND a top ten pick - that would be very decent.
So, from Toronto's point of view...they give up Antonio Davis AND the 4th overall pick in the draft for Cuttino Mobley and Eddie Griffin? Why, exactly, do they do this?
Point being, these were starters on a playoff team...and you want to trade 3 subs for them, and the 4th pick overall...
Oh, right...I just meant equitable to us. On the other hand, it does say "plus others". For that matter, there has been speculation that Toronto would be giving up their pick for Sprewell. Many on this board, myself included, see Cuttino to be the equivalent of Spree. Many on this board see Griffin as being the one to keep instead of trading for Davis. Thus, the Raptors are essentially doing the pick for Mobley (ala pick for Spree that's been reported) and the Davis for Griff (which is arguable who wins). In either case, I'd be happy if it happenned
But, codell, that's how the trading game works...the Raps, for example, traded a young and very promising ( much more than Eddie is now) Marcus Camby for Charles Oakley, because they were in exactly the place we are now; needing veteran toughness on a young but not so tough team...Veteran toughness, inside defense, etc.. these are commodities, the tradeoff is that you don't usually get them young or cheap. Yeah, Davis might only start for another 2 years, and Eddie might have a 10 year career...or Eddie might be Tony Battie, and we get 2 solid years of starter, veteran leadership, and a push in the right direction for a career backup who is never develops a post game...That's how the game works...if AD was the dependable guy that he is, but 3 or 4 years younger, we don't come close to getting him for Griffin. Remember it cost the Raps the 5th pick overall, just a few years ago, and it's seen as a good trade for them. Tough interior players who can score and rebound are not cheap, and there's a reason. I see what you're saying...about AD not being here when we become a contender..and to a point I agree. Remember, once again, I'm not advocating this trade; I'd rather stick with Eddie...but then again I wasn't among those who spent half of last season bemoaning our lack of inside toughness...the fact that our guys would get knocked down without fear, etc...What I am saying is this: If you feel that Eddie isn't going to develop...or if you feel that waiting for him to develop, and giving him the playing time to develop, including all the bad games where he gets beat like a dog by bigger, stronger players......in that case this trade makes perfect sense to me. You've gotta give to get...But the argument goes that a few years of toughness makes us better now AND after Ad is gone...that it helps mold us in the right way,m protects Yao from nightly poundings, etc..AND he might be here if he stays around like Willis ( which he's in shape to do) or we develop faster than you expect. l have no problem if we keep Eddie...in fact I'd prefer it..but if people in here are gonna be crying and gnashing their teeth when he experiences growing pains, and asking us to bring back Kenny thomas because right now he's a better player, etc...well, then, what's the point of keeping Eddie? If he's not good enough right now, and you won't put uo with him struggling in order to grow, what exactly are you expecting other teams to give up for him? You get Davis, and ( barring injuries, of which he has had one in his career of any significance) you can write him in the lineup night in and night out, and he will demand that the other players show up to play...and he'll protect and develop Yao. Perfect fit.
You don't trade your 2nd year lottery pick for an over the hill veteran unless you're already an elite team. It's just stupid for a non-playoff/championship contender to do a trade like this.
AD is an old man with a huge salary and EG has no trade value (except to Houston fans). This trade would be great if Davis is a bit younger (or with a smaller contract). However, I just don't see the point of trading for declining talent. We're @ least 2 years (cough Yao cough) away from being a contender, let alone fighting for championships, by which time AD would be much use to us and only prevent us from signing better players with his huge contract. This is still a decent trade, but pointless.
MacBeth, In hindsight, that was a bad trade for Toronto (also, Oakley was not making $12MIL per year). Oakley didnt give them much for 3 years and while Camby has been injured, his is a much better option at C than what Toronto has had their since he was traded. Which is why I don't make that trade and looking back, I would bet you that Toronto would not make that trade either. As far as giving to getting. Again, what we are getting is a temp fix for 2-3 years. Like you have already agreed, waiting on Eggie's potential is a better option probably (seeing has how EG has put up 9/6/1.5 in 25 mins, I would venture to guess that he can give you similar production to AD's for alot less money. Regardless, in the end, its not that I don't value AD's play over EG's, it has more to do with age and contract. Also, as far as developing and protecting Yao, I think we can do better than AD if we are gonna trade EG. AD doesnt strike me as a player who makes his sidekick 4/5 better. Protection wise, that is arguable since AD has never played with a legit post center. With Indiana and Toronto, AD has had more of an inside presense than he would here (didnt he play mostly 5 for Toronto?). In Indiana, he always played a backup role behind Dale Davis. So who is to say whether he can "protect" Yao any better than EG has given the fact that he hasnt really been a starting PF during his career??
Why not?!? That trade helps us...... I agree with everything that MacBeth, leebigez, and Codell have said! Eddie Griffin compared to TIM DUNCAN?!? LMAO!!!!
Eddie Griffin- young power player with a career ahead of him...... Antonio Davis- old power player with more miles than my 71 'Cuda............. Easily the dumbest trade in Rox history if they pulled it off....... Even if Mo Pete and the 4th pick (for Bosh ostensibly) it would be a bad deal. You'd get an off-injured guy with one, maybe two good years left in the tank and a skinny kid who is just a project at this point for an up and coming stud? I don't see it.
