Top Iranian Nuclear Scientist Killed in Apparent Assination

They are evil in the sense they value their self-interest above all else even at the expense of their citizens. But that also means they care about self-preservation.

 

Trump getting us out of Syria and Iraq are successes. Unfortunately on Iran he lives in the past like a lot of anti Iran people. They can't let go of the images of hostages paraded in the streets in 1979. It's the basis of the narrative that Democrats are weak on defense

 

Trump didn't get us out of Iraq. That started in 2011 with the Status of Forces agreement and which we have been scaling down our presence ever since. Btw, Trump said Obama created ISIS because he scaled back too much in Iraq. So which narrative is it?

 

They are evil in a lot more ways than that.

Don't take my word for it.

https://nypost.com/2015/05/13/obama-says-iran-sponsors-terrorism/

https://www.dw.com/en/iran-defends-execution-of-gay-people/a-49144899

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-tribunal-hariri-hezbollah-fac-idUSKCN25D1N3

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran/

Your attempts to relativize how evil they are by saying "it's just self-preservation" are very misguided and misinformed, to put it kindly.

 

The narrative is liberals b****ing about Trump withdrawing from old useless war zones is sad.

No reaaon to be anywhere over there. Fracking has eliminated the need. Its always about money

 

None of those articles show any lack of desire for self-preservation. I believe Trump is scum of the earth that would do literally anything to stay in power with the means he has but I also believe he has extreme self-preservation instincts.

Iran having self-preservation instincts isn't mutually exclusive to them flexing their muscles with proxy militias like the US does.

You are trying to convince me with emotional appeal when I very well know how draconian the Iranian regime is. So I don't understand your point. It seems like you believe I'm making a moral claim regarding the Iranian regime.

 

A state sponsor of terrorism who has been bringing terror and crimes against humanity as well as a threat of extinction against a neighboring country since 1979 lost one of the guys who could have accelerated their path towards having additional means of mass murder. And you guys are up in arms. You really need to find a moral compass.

I didn't know the man, maybe he was a good family man or whatever. But he was part of a terror regime, and crucial on their path towards having nuclear arms which pose a grave threat to the region. Excuse me when I cannot take your crocodile tears about "murder" of a "top scientist" seriously.

Who cares if they want self-preservation? They also want more means of terror. Cutting them off of having those at their disposal is a good thing. It's not like the possibility that they value self-preservation over fulfilling threats of mass murder excuses any of what they do, or puts them on some sort of level of moral equivalency with the US.

 

Dude, the term "state sponser of terrorism" is nothing more than the world's hegemonic power using their influence to peg any entities that don't do economic trade along the Hegemony's terms as "terrorist". Was it "terrorisitic" for Iraqi citizens to have PTSD every time they hear a jet over their head because they are afraid they are about to be blasted by the good ol' USA? That isn't terroristic? Are the Iraqi people not terrorized?

Like I said before, Iran's threats to Israel are nothing more than theater to rile up the Iranian people to be angry at a foerign entity rather than their own government.

It's not me coming into the defense of Iran. It's more about pragmatism and understanding that we are giving every reason for Iranian citizens to believe their government when they say their sovereignty is being threatened. You are losing the Iranian people with these actions. All these sanctions and actions towards Iran give the regime grounds to truthly tell their people that their economic struggles aren't of their fault but the Westerners. It's ammo for them. This means that no matter how much the Iranian people struggle, many of them will still blame the West because we'll, they rightly can in many ways which makes them ignore the actual transgressions of their own government.

 

You are wrong.

 

Is this a common Mossad assassination technique?

 

They would just Krav Maga you.

 

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Iran Knows full well in a conventional war we will absolutely wipe them off the face of the planet so they have planed their defensive doctrine on asymmetric warfare.


This is how their numerous Shia proxy groups in the south of Iraq especially in Najaf and Basra ( under the command of the cleric muqtada al Sadr)operated against us. Pop up attacks ( on motor bikes with RPG’s) Improvised road side attacks and house to house fighting where the actual live combat radius was literally a few meters and there really was no conventional rules of engagement.It was pretty evident they were trained by experts and were well equipped by the Al qods of the Iranian guards

 

Triop withdrawls take time. Its not just getting on a Delta flight

As far as Saudia Arabia they want us there. Now we can devate that and i would criticize Trump for his unquestioned allegiance to Saudi as much as his hostility towards Iran but being there isn't liike being in Syria and that is disingenuous on your part to compare them

 

Hypothetical (and yes, Godwin's law):

If Hitler and his Nazis had been close to developing a nuclear bomb, and to get there, he would have needed one top scientist who was part of his regime. Without him, he would not have gotten the nuclear bomb.

And yes, the Nazis wanted self-preservation as well. But they also had no scruples about mass-murdering people and engaging in total war.

Would you guys say taking out that scientist would have been murder (Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought. This state of mind may, depending upon the jurisdiction, distinguish murder from other forms of unlawful homicide, such as manslaughter.), considering the fact that millions of lives would have been saved by it?

 

Dude, we didn't defeat the Nazis because they were evil. The US got involved because the Nazis were invading all our favorite trading partners. Like always, our decisions are based in economics, not morality.

 

Iranians aren't Nazis. Thats the first problem with your post. The second problem is youre comparing them to Nazis. I understand your concern about supporting terrorism but they were willing to engage in a treaty. If we aren't gonna honor the treaty why shouldn't they pursue production of a weapon?

 

If you knew that killing someone would save millions of people, then you can justify it. But the reality is this is not a fact, just fanciful speculation. In this case, it's not even clear that it would have the effect of prolonging the time it takes for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. It could have the opposite effect.