Top Chinese diplomat tells US to 'shut up' on arms spending

If you don't know your numbers, then DON'T argue with me.

China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Air_Force

Sukhoi 27/30: 276 in service, 100 more licensed
Mig-31: 24
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300 fighters superior to F-15

J-10: 50
JH-7/JH-8/Mig-21: 800
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850 fighters equivalent or superior to F-16



JAPAN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Self_Defense_Force

F-15: 225

F-16/F-2: 62


And here is the link to the AviationWeek article in which the SU-27/30 was demonstrated as ALWAYS prevaling against the F-15...
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/comparison-f15-su30-1.html

Ahem.. Ahem.. Pwned... LOL.... Get your facts straight before you come to play, my boy. I tire of proving you and your compadres wrong. Good luck!

 

Hi Ottomaton,
The situation is worse than you think.

While some of the Japanese subs do carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles (60mi-80mi range), the 4 Kilos in PLAN service and 8 more they have contracted to build before 2010, all are capable of launching the mach 2.9 Klub-S (aka Novator Alpha) anti-ship cruise missile, with a 180 mile range, making them true aegis-killing fleet hunters and a legitimate threat to US carriers.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/kilo.htm
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Klub.html

Doesn't that just brighten your day?

 

Lil, the fighters I bolded, except for the J-10, which was only introduced into service with the PLA air force at the end of '05, are not the equivalent to the F-16. Where did you get the info that they were? The same place I got mine, I believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-8

The J-7's and MIG-21's are ancient technology. The J-8's are the equal, according to Wikipedia, to an F-4 Phantom II, a very old design. Only the F-10, in very limited numbers, could be called a top-flight fighter. The others don't equal the F-16, much less F-15's or F-18's. (not that you said they equaled the last two)




Keep D&D Civil.

 

Deckard, do you still have doubt that some of these pro-japan posters are japanese decedents who don't even want to reveal their background?

LOL at how Lil spins it. I think PLA will happily swap J7 and J8 to "inferior" F-16.

 

Just want to make clear the J-7 and JH-7 are different planes. They were both based on the MiG-21 but even from the outside they look significantly diferent such that you wouldn't guess they were based on the same plane. From what I understand the JH-7's are still supposed to be useful aircraft in the role that they were designed for (ground attack).

The J-7's are probably not where you would want to put your experienced pilots unless you were looking to avoid having to pay pensions but I believe the J-8's have better preformance and equipment than the "F-5 Freedom Fighters" that we sold to Taiwan among others.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=watchdog

Watchdog's definition from Random House Dictionary.

watchdog Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[woch-dawg, -dog] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, adjective, verb, -dogged, -dog‧ging.

–noun 1. a dog kept to guard property.
2. a watchful guardian: a self-appointed watchdog of the public morals.


Japan as a watchdog refers to its being a watchful guardian.

 

If declaring a POSSIBLE war is a military threat, it must follows that actually declaring and fighting a war is more of a military threat. Since the USA, Russia and Israel all declared and initiated wars in recent years, it means the USA, Russia and Israel are all bigger military threats than China. Please help China, the lesser threat, to cut down military expenses of bigger military threat like the USA, Israel and Russia, thank you.

 

Very well maybe, but neither the USA, Israel, nor Russian could ever wage war against China. Nor would there be any point.

There is no country on earth that has any interest in invading China.

So why is China building so much military?

Tell me Cuddly Furry Panda...why oh why?

 

Can you use just maybe an ounce of self reflection? Who in the world would invade Russia or the USA, and why the USA spent times more than China despite at about the same size and only 20% of China's population?

 

Yeah, but the USA spends a lot on military so we can invade countries like Iraq when we need to. Duhhhhhhh. We're pretty aggressive ya know. Bosnia, Somalia, Iraq, Afganistan (the Taliban have attacked us ya know), Vietnam, the Korean War.....

So ya know we need a big fat military.

So why does China hmmmmmmmm? Unless....perhaps....it's thinking of fighting some wars?

 

It's your choice to build up army in order to invade other countries, China builds up its army to defend herself. Same action, different purposes. Duh.

 

But your original claim was that in term of ADVANCED fighters, China has 4:1 advantage over Japan. That is WAY off. I mean, only Su-27, Su-30, J-10 are comparable to F-15, and F-2. And the two countries have about same amount of jets at that level. BUT, remember China has 20 times more land to cover.

Regarding the issue you raised about Japanese destroyers: they are equiptment with Aegis system, and they are equipment with vertical missle launch cells. They are copies of Arleigh Burke-class destroyers in U.S. Navy. So it is not hard to replace some anti-air or anti-sub missiles.

Regarding Japanese submarines: correct me if I am wrong. Don't Yuushio, Harushio, and Oyashiro classes all carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Type 89 torpedoes? What makes you think they are not capable of offensive move?

I am wondering why you keep overhype Chinese military capability while downplaying Japanese military threat to neighboring countries. Are you that misinformed or do you have an agenda?

 

Actually, it wasn't and I already corrected you on this once. You should perhaps confirm your misconceptions before you quote me.

I don't have a dog in this race. (Hopefully that is an acceptable use of the word.) You do. As far as I can tell you are the one with an agenda. It seems to me that you are intent in seeing the worst possible intentions of everything Japanese while assuming the most favorable interpretations of all Chinese actions. It would be just as likely for the Japanese to rip apart their destroyers and replace weapons as it would for the Chinese but you act like it is a forgone conclusion for the Japanese and the poor misunderstood Chinese would never do such a thing. There is not a consistent standard being applied.

Yes if the Prime Minister of Japan is actually Satan Japan could rework their systems with millions of dollars and lots of hard work so that they could attack China.

Of course if it turns out that the Premier of China or the President of the US is Satan will just launch ICBM's from submarines and nuke the world and save Japan a whole lot of trouble.

You assume that every Japanese person is out to get you.

 

Defend itself against whom?

Somehow I don't think China is building up one the world's most powerful army's to "defend" itself. Unless you mean "defend" it's interests....perhaps a little bombing raid over some neighboring nations without threat of reprisal from the U.S.....

 

Against whoever that wants to invade her.

 

Such as.....

 

Such as whoever.

 

Care to give a single example Panda?

 

Why? China doesn't need to identify military threats first in order to build up a strong army relative to her size. It's very simple, self defense is an universal dire need. Not a reaction.

 

such as Japan, India, Vietnam, Russia, US, UK, whoever. It is not like these countries have never invaded China. Even if there is no hostile situation now, you cannot gurantee it in the future. Things can change fast in the long history. Besides, the way Americans and Japanese talk about China doesn't help make China feel safe. Feeling are mutual, if you keep calling another country a threat to you, expect it to regard you as a threat.