Top Chinese diplomat tells US to 'shut up' on arms spending

Nice post NewYorker! When you take off your blind hatred for Bush and the Repubs temporarily, you actually made some sense.

You might want to add Vietnam to the list of the countries that China wants to harrass.

Any world history buff knows that China invaded and occupied Vietnam for over a thousand years, went to war with Vietnam in 1979 (eventhough they're both were commie b*stard themselves!) and still trying to take lands away from Vietnam as we speak.

 

Japan doesn't own any weapons or tanks or anything?

I'm not trying to disagree with the idea behind your post, just some of the particulars.

 

Speaking from a militalistic imperlialist who fought Vietnam half a world away for a decade, frequently employing carpet bombing and Agent Orange, that is very refreshing.

Oh btw, "world history buff", when did the disputed region, Spratly Islands in this case, officially belong to Vietnam? Did they teach you that in air force academy?

 

Hilarious and Ironic.


Originally Posted by NewYorker
I'm glad you won't repeat a dislusional reality anymore. It was getting tiring to see the China is right, the rest of the world wrong. Wnes talked about brainwashing - he should go to China for a bit. It's ridiculous what the gov't does to minds there.

Originally Posted by NewYorker
...but too much on these boards people have to go on personal offensives. You see, it's much easier to attack you then your position.

 

I am wondering what people think of the 80's, when Deng spent literally nothing on defense. Surely China is the most peaceful country in the world!!!

 

LoL. Get your facts straight or learn the correct meaning of "truth".

 

I should have said offensive missles. They have recently begun to build a shield for missle attacks which they have to do considering N. Korea's actions. But they have no capability of actually invading or attacking another nation...only in defending against invasion of their air space or territorial waters....Aegis and AWAC's are very defensive minded systems....

 

Did you just conveniently forget about a land that was called AnNam a long time ago that was ruled, occupied and terrorized by the militaristic, imperialist(btw, that's how they're spelled, not:MILITALISTIC IMPERLIALIST) Chinese that is currently called Vietnam?

How about in 1979 when China attacked Vietnam?

Everything about you is either "Chinese pride"(like New Yorker puts it) or the militaristic, imperialist Yankees and their agent orange.

P.s. I'm proud to be one of those pigs you hate so much!

 

The Dali Lama took a few million dollars in the 60's from the CIA during the cold war to train the Tibetan Resistence. Nothing came of that. I don't know why you're so critical of the Dali Lama. Many people are simply because he has the strength to change his mind based on new learning.

THe problem with folks here is that they can not change their mind. Once rooted into a position, they will not change, it's not about facts, it's about beliefs. Once you belief something, you can not walk away from it.

See, that's what you fail to understand, I actually don't belief - I'm just questioning. None of you really know what I truly think...because I'm here only to discuss. My position will change over time as I take in more knowledge - but I don't really express my position, I only express what I think will foster my understanding.

Of course, it's sad that you can't see that.

 

Maybe we should all look into the mirror. No one is excepted, including YOU and myself.

 

Yeah right, attack subs are very defensive minded systems. Japanese navy is probably second only to US in the world. That IMO is more than needed considering Japan is under the protection of allmighty Pacific fleet, and considering NK does not even have a navy ship worth mentioning. And it is not like Japan isn't pushing hard to develop rocket technology in order to improve its capability to make its own missles.

Make no mistake, Japan is capable to warring, more so than any other country in the region.

 

The difference is that I'm not attached to my what I'm writing. I can change my mind tomorrow. Want proof - look at my posting history. Hey, I even said China has a right to tell the U.S. to shut up about it's defense spending. But it's much easier for people here to label me anti-Chinese then to actually consider an argument.

Don't worry, that's not only a characteristic of Chinese...it goes for Americans, Muslims, and Jews too. Ain't it wonderful, we all do have something in common!

But for you, you have a personal stake in defending the Chinese view point - because clearly you are connected to China is some form or fashion. That's the difference between you and me...you're stuck being pro-Chinese, where as I am nothing - completely detached from either side. Some here have stated that I must be Japanese because of the positions I take...now isn't that stereotyping and hilarious because I don't have an ounce of Japanese blood in me.

For the record, I have a great deal of respect for Chinese culture. But I do not like the self-righteous chip-on-the-shoulder that many mainlanders have. This victim mentality regarding Japan and the west does get old. China is a major world player now...stop acting like it you come from a 3rd world country....unless you really feel that it's still true?

 

delete.

 

That's much better.

 

LOL. All your post proves that you are attached to one theme: hate the Chinese.

You have tried to hijack this thread and the shrine thread for days by draging in Mao, Tibet, Japanese "peaceful" history (LOL), Japanese small military spending (LOL again), China-India war, China-Vienam war.

if downplaying Japanese killing tens of millions Asians yet dragging above minor issues does not prove you are attached to your anti-china theme, I don't know what does.

 

I am sure we were talking about modern China and current world events, weren't we? If so, how does what ancient Chinese dynasties did thousands years have anything to do with China now? If you intended to demonstrate China was historically militarislic, you should know counter argument could easily be made that China was more isolated and inward in more recent history.

Moreover, in your post, you said China is "stilling trying to lands away" from Vietnam, what do you mean by "lands"? If the assumed reference to the Spratly Islands in dispute was incorrect, what else could it be?

Pigs are lovely animals. Tinman likes them, so do I.

Oh, almost forgot to return the reciprocal courtesy: "eventhough" isn't a legitimate word.

 

I'm glad you have adorations for pigs too, I think they are a lovely bunch of animals and a lot cleaner than some humans.
BTW EVEN THOUGH ..... there...are you happy now!

P.S. you still spelled militaristic wrong ,you spelled :MILITARISLIC) LOL.

 

the relationship between China and NK is very similar to USA and Israel.

• US has been providing tons of $$$ and arms aid to Israel for decades, yet Washinton effectively has minimum influence, if at all, on Israel's middle east policies

 

A post that isn't chest-thumping about how persecuted the Chinese are about... going by what I've read in a couple of threads here over and over, ...anything. I think you make a good point with your post. It probably won't matter that I said that based on what I'm going to say next.

Several of the rest of you "non-stop China Defenders," ( for want of a better term) are actually hurting your cause here by going ballistic over any comment that could remotely be construed as being critical of China. It makes a real discussion near impossible. One can't disagree with you about anything with regards to China without being accused of being a some kind of enemy of China, some kind of lover of Japan, and so on, and so on, and so on. (that's a generic you, btw... you as in, you know who I'm talking to... yes, you. History for $200, Alex!)

The contrast to what Americans post here about America couldn't be more striking. Some of us seemingly make a large majority of posts here that are critical of our own country. It doesn't matter. Some of us go out of our way to be even handed about China. It doesn't matter. One comment critical of China and you are indeed demonized, a word currently in vogue by the "China Defenders." Poor China... so "demonized," that discussion of her is effectively impossible.

Geez. Some people aren't posting in these threads simply because they don't feel like being hammered over the head with constant, heavy-handed Chinese nationalism. And that's what it is. Some of you should at least be open about acknowledging it.

How do you expect to make friends for China when you cannot accept any criticism about her?

And I wish I could say I look foreword to being vilified, but I don't. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky and the folks I'm talking to will understand where I'm coming from.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

Japan has nothing larger than a destroyer, and the detroyers they have are not armed with cruise missiles because of their pacifist constitution. They may be big fish in their little pond, but they are in no way a world class fleet. Russia, England, basically any country that operates aircraft carriers(a list that doesn't yet, but probably will eventually include the PRC), have a significant force projection capabiulity advantage over the JMSDF. No matter how many times it is repeated, it will never be true that Japan has the second best navy in the world.