Top Chinese diplomat tells US to 'shut up' on arms spending

You're right Mr. SAT. Although, I wish we the convicted drunk drivers, ran their asses over a few more times.

After we took this scumbag (1940's Japan) to the infirmary and we've become pals, I still wouldn't want the clown to have my booze and SUV to run me over someday. They need to stay on the bicycle and drink O'Douls.

 

You asked me to tell you whether a convicted serial killer committed more murders while serving in jail? Your logic was, since he didn't kill more people in jail, albeit convicted for his murders, he's still the most peaceful person in your eyes? Just brilliant.

Maybe you should have also asked Germany what military activities had they exercised between WWI and WWII. None. Except for getting ready with all the officials they needed for a war. Read more about Japan. Don't trust any source from your list, trust Japanese own version and the US version, to see what they said about their military strength, budget, motives, and attempts to modify constitution to have more freedom in "military exercise".

Speaking of your long list about the countries you don't want them to have nukes. Out of 205 countries and territories in the world, I could see only those Western Masters should have nukes, including Germany and Japan. If you were God, everything is very simple, you can simply wipe out the rest countries, instead of posting here. But unfortunately you are not, the world doesn't dance around you, you are just a poster on a message board.

 

THe military industrial complex really needs china to be a threat so that budgets will rise (and expensive cold-war era cash cow projects like nuclear missile subs are not obsolete).

 

I concur.

and that older models, of fighters and missiles, can be sold to Taiwan for more huge profits.

 

Let me explain my point more clearly. I do NOT like Iranians or North Koreans getting their hands on nuclear weapons. But I see NO legal ground to ban them from doing it.

U.S. is the biggest bully in the world, and understandably it is in its best interest to keep others from becoming bullies. It is in human nature. But do not think other countries see that in the same way. While North Koreans were testing some crapping missles over international water once in a couple of years, we are sending spy planes and satellite over their sovereign territory on daily basis.

My take on China-NK: China does not have much influnce on N. Korea as you believe. China has already cut back aids to N. Korea, but further cut back will only backfire. Who is gonna take in millions of refugees if people cannot survive in N. Korea? U.S., Japan? No. It is gonna be China. China is providing just enough aids to prevent flood of refugees. Kim, if pushed too hard, can retaliate by opening the border and let his countrymen flood into China and creat a disaster there. If you put yourself in the shoes of Chinese, you will see how delicate the situation is. And please don't think they would put everything else above national interest, as no country does.

 

canoner2002, I don't agree with a lot of what you say but you nailed the China, DPRK situation pretty close. I don't know if Kim would retaliate by opening the border. Whatever happens in NK, China wants an orderly transition, not the regime collapse the rest of the world wants. It's 100% about national interest and you'd probably have the worst refugee problem in the history of mankind if Kim's regime imploded. China wants no part of that. ROK would be deeply affected also.

At this point in time, I don't really fault China about NK. They have done about all they can do.

 

Japan has the option to create a military. There are not banned from doing so by any nation. IT's been 60 years of peace from that country. They've apologized and paid their dues and have become one of the most responsible nations on earth. It's only countries like China and Korea that still have long standing hate for Japan.

Personally, I think it would be a good thing for Japan to develop a strong military being an ally of the U.S. We need a strong Japan to help counterbalance an increasingly aggressive and belligerent China in the region.

I think that's one of the U.S. strategy goals. We need to work with every asian nation in the region, including India, to prevent China from becoming a super-bully.

 

LOL. You should have said it from the very beginning. Cut the crap about war and peace, stop pretending you are interested in history or whatever. Just save yourself tons of time and effort, and lots of time from others as well.

You simply want to rally everyone against China, war cirminal or not. Even if Hitler is alive, as long as he's against China, he's your best Ally. It never has anything to do with any of those threads. Why don't you just quit hijacking any thread in the future, go out to do something real with your holly anti-China movement? Nobody is stopping you.

 

Go ahead and say I live in the past, but I'm in no hurry for Japan to militarize. In fact, neither are any of our allies in the Pacific, from South Korea to Australia. This may sound paternalistic, but the best scenario is for the U.S. to continue guaranteeing Japan's safety. This way, the anti-Japanese flames that still exist in Asia don't get fanned and we can guarantee Japanese foreign policy always aligns with ours.

If everyone could forget history, then maybe Japan should re-arm. But Japan will never be forgiven for its past until they acknowledge it sufficiently. The world just isn't ready for Japan to be "strong" or even to make plans for being strong. Asian countries would much rather have U.S. power projected over there instead. The concept of Japan being a counterweight to China is a joke. Most southeast Asian countries might actually be driven closer to China. There is more hatred/distrust for Japan in Asia than you realize. Their complete pacifism since WWII is what makes them palatable.

Let's face it, China's destiny is to dominate SE Asia the same way we dominate the Americas. Our best strategy is to build as good a relations as possible with countries over there to maximize our influence. As you imply, China is indeed intimidating and we, the USA, are the best counterweight.

India is also a key player in the region.

 

Japanese will find a way to wars again. It is in their blood. 60 years is blink in history. The limited land and resources and a high population force them to aggressively seek to expand their territory. Now they have territory disputes with China, Korea, and Russia. It is just a matter of time before they decided to resort to force again.

 

In principal I agree with you that they would like to portray China in that light, though actually I think quite a bit of that funding has been redirected to nuclear powered tachyon shoe explosives sniffers which lines the defence contractor's pockets as well.

But the PLAN is definately making a big effort to expand their capabilities and aren't being particularly open about it.

Case in point is the Varyag, a former Soviet aircraft carier which was never finished, and was left to the Ukraine. In 1998 a gentleman named Cheng Zhen Shu, owner of a company called Chong Lot Travel Agency purchased the ship. When he bought it he claimed that the "Varyag would become a multi-functional entertainment centre, with 600 room hotel, casino, discotheque, restaurants and night-clubs, and has called it Ocean Entertainment Centre."

There was a big row about it in the west involving Turkey and the Bosphorus straight and claims that the Chinese were going to use it for military purposes, etc. Chong Lot, of course, denied it and ridiculed the accusations.

Fast forward seven years, when the Varyag comes steaming out of the Chinese naval base at Dalian in a fresh new coat of PLAN gray paint. Apparently Cheng Zhen Shu was a 'retired' PLAN official, and Chong Lot Travel Agency never existed except as a facade for the PLAN.

I don't particularly care about the PLA's improvement of their Navy or any other parts of their forces, that is a reasonable thing to do given their current state and the state of their neighbors, but they seem to be very partial to excessive deception in doing it. They are at this point significantly upgrading their military while saying 'poor little misunderstood us.'

 

canoner2002, I disagree with you completely but your attitude reflects why Japan should not build up its military. In general, certainly 60 years is a "blink in history" but the last 60 years have been more than that for Japan. Please don't answer back; let us agree to disagree.

 

These were the same arguments for exterminating Jews, the tainted nature of their heritage. Perhaps PLA should just go ahead and kill all Japanese to prevent any future wars?

 

Wow, we found a country not very open with its military spending, what a surprise? Japan spends much more on military but it never fails to claim it is totally for "peace". A tiny island country, under the protection of US, need to spend MORE on military to just keep world peace? Very honest. Let's look at Bush administration now, how much did they say the Iraqi war was gonna cost? $70 billions? How much has it cost so far? Approaching $400 billion at the pace of $5+ billion per month. Bush lied to his own people, not just the rest of the world. When it comes to military spending, nobody is gonna to open their book and let others inspect freely.

 

Did I advocate exterminating Japanese? No. I don't believe in preemptive strikes, like this cowboy administration does.

 

I applaud you applying a consistent standard.

 

You are probably right in that Japan would be seen as too much of a threat by it's asian neighbors - they are still too locked into the past and don't buy into a modern japan. Or they just don't want Japan to become a more influential player.

But people forget that Japan pays for the U.S. protection it receives...it's not free, I mean, everyone talks about how Japan spends more on defense then China...but no one mentions that Japan isn't building war planes or destroyers....it's handing the money over to the U.S.

 

No, but you did make a racist comment...the kind of comments that Jews suffered under and was used by Hitler to justify their extermination and to this day Jews are very sensitive about these kinds of comments.

On a side note....in WWI many Jews served under the German flag and were some of the best officers....had Hitler decided to bring Jews into the Army to fight instead of wasting resources in killing Jews, he might have succeeded in controling all of Europe. YOu gotta to love the irony there.

 

Racist? I cannot say anything about a particular people any more? Did you read the rest of that post of mine? Can you deny that Japan had a violent history and it is having disputes with several neighboring countries? Can you deny that the same problems that made them invade neighbors, e.g. limited land and natural resource plus high population, still exist? Can you deny that Japanese ARE changing their pacifist constituation in order to legitimize using military forces oversea? My opinion is based on my observations.