I would say there is not a persistent culture, it got nothing to do with potentials of future drafts. The culture before Silas was Harden and Morey. A happy, go, lucky, shoot 3s and layups.
If the goal is to win a championship, you definitely need a top 10 player. Of course, you also need all star level guys next to him too. But it's that one guy that is the most important. If you don't have that, odds are you won't sniff championship any time soon. My point is, chances of getting that kind of player through top 4 picks are still quite slim. It takes a lot of luck. And if you have luck, there are plenty of franchise level player you can get with lower picks. Is it worth it to put your team in the dumpster just to have a higher probability to get a top 4 pick?
Yes. You don't have to actually use the picks to draft players. You can use them as trade assets. That's pretty much Morey's M.O. However, a pick's value increases when it is more clear that it will be in a high position. The problem with tanking for this season is that we have to be lucky enough to hit the top 4. Even if you are among the worst 3 teams, you only have a 52% chance. As things are, it is very difficult to out-tank teams like Minny, Detroit, Washington, Orlando, Chicago, and Cleveland. You do want your young players such as Wood, Nwaba, Tate, and Brown to do well. You don't want to trade away promising players just for an unknown result of tanking. That's the whole point of @DCkid's posts. How are you actually DO the tanking without devaluing your own players or giving up assets? I have yet to seen a viable strategy spelled out. Basically it's trading Dipo, Gordon, Wall, Tucker... and who else? How are you going to trade Wall's and Gordon's terrible contracts without taking back other terrible contracts or giving up loads of assets? You can only trade players for picks to teams that are under the cap, which is very few. Getting a bad contract for a worse player may make the team worse for the tanking purpose but it also defeat the rebuilding goal. Giving up assets is the exact opposite of what we want to do. Basically the contradiction of tanking is this: You need to be bad to gain assets. But need to get rid of current assets (good players) to achieve being bad. So you give up something that is known for something that is unknown.
Uhhh, caveat here, you cant actually. The odds get worse as you go down the drafting order. The TOP 4 picks even with the low relative odds are generally the highest when you are trying to draft your superstar. You are going to have way more dude's who are busts and dont even amount to rotational players outside the top 4 than not.
I only speak for myself but I posted a thread with my "bottoming out" strategy: https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-rebuild.310283/ The details are less important than the overall point so I don't see a contradiction at all. Going the draft picks route doesn't require us to immediately be bad. You're right that we need Dipo, Gordon, and Tucker playing good and Wall too. However, due to their respective contracts they all aren't on the same timeline. Then you have to take into account when we have and don't have our picks or what the protections are. Therefore, the strategy would happen in stages.
I understand that. I was answering to his question TBH kind of pointless. The point of my post he referred to was that even if you are lucky enough to get a top 4 pick, the chances of landing a franchise player is quite low. Is it worth it? 1. How likely will be out-tank half of about 6 bad teams? 2. The probability of out-tanking them and being one of 3 worst teams gives you a 52% chance of getting a top 4 pick. 3. The likelihood of picking a franchise type player with a top 4 pick is about 15%. The problem of tanking this season is the swap with OKC. If you don't get a top 4 pick, which isn't a very high percentage chance, the whole tanking is a waste, not to mention helping OKC. If it wasn't for the swap, tanking might actually be worth it because even if you didn't win the lottery, you still got a high enough pick to have a good chance to get a good player. And there is the fact that it is totally possible to pick a franchise player outside of the top 4. My post shows that about 3 of the current top 10 players (Curry, Jokic, Kawhi) were not top 4 picks. Why do we want to devalue our team to get a dubiously higher (but still quite low) probability of landing a franchise player?
So you don't really have a point. Are you really trying to say it does not matter where you pick in the draft?
Just tie with OKC, lol. Wait, do they get to give the Rockets' to pick belonging to Miami and bump the Rockets down? I forgot the specifics...that would suck.
Cleveland got involved in the harden trade because they wanted to come te for a playoff spot. Look how well that turned out
