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Top 4 pick or Bust!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Trackwell, Jan 17, 2021.

  1. Rudyc281

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    For everybody knocking Mobley because of weight and or thin frame better not be fans of Chet or Victor
     
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    I'm not a fan of Chet or Victor. I'm giving an edge to Green for now. If Mobley shines in the
    workouts and psychological testing along with some added muscle, I'll be okay with him being the 2nd pick.
     
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    Depends on how much you think Mobley loves ball.

    I dont think he dreams about it.
     
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    Isn't it interesting that the narrative of Green being the 2nd best player has just geared up to nth degree the last few weeks?

    Prior to that, Mobley was the unquestioned 2nd best, maybe even as good as Cade.

    There was even talk of Suggs being 3rd.

    Until the agents and their respective PR machines kicked in.
     
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    I've always had Cunningham #1 and Green #2. Nothing has happened so far to change my mind. I've also questioned Mobley's motor since the NCAA tourney.
     
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    I agree that a Unicorn is not necessary to win a championship.

    And Bassey, Garza, Dickinson (?) may be enough to help you win a championship.

    All things being equal, I would rather take a chance on the more skilled and naturally talented player.

    Especially if you also add 2 way ability, IQ, character and potential.

    That said, Rockets almost cannot go wrong with the 2nd pick. Option of Cade, Mobley or Green.
     
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    I recently heard Tom Brady voice that only 10% of what he says is actually how he thinks or feels. From a strictly strategic standpoint it would be prudent for Houston to behave similarly in regards to this year's draft in order to strengthen their position. Thus Green's continued hype actually works in their favor if Detroit and Cleveland are really so high on him. I know we go back and forth between the two everyday here. Try to remember that most of your fellow Clutchfans only want what's best for the team regardless of if they're team Mobley or Green, and it's easy to get lost when going down these rabbit holes.
     
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    I'll bet on skinny and light when it's an elite offensive big that can handle and shoot. I just don't like my defensive anchors to have high asses.
     
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    Same knock on Johnny Juzang (doesn't get down in stance)....but Juzang isn't as
    long as Mobley

    What I'm telling people is college guards easily get by Mobley,
    but the college guards go straight-line; making it easier for Mobley to
    block their layups

    NBA guards are going to divert from straight path to rim, to in the path of
    Mobley's recovery......forcing Mobley to climb their back (fouling).
     
  10. i3artow i3aller

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    I don't see him being in foul trouble. He got a ton of burn at USC and his foul rate was quite low.
     
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    Mobley's foul rate is elite, this is a complete fabrication. His rim protection and iso perimeter defense is actually enhanced because he barely fouls.

    You are better than this @ApacheWarrior .
     
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    In college against college players while in a zone defense the last part
    of the season. I guarantee he won't have that foul rate vs grown men in the NBA.

    Eventually you will see the difference from college to pro NBA level.

    Night and Day
     
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    Straw man fallacy - you could say that about any prospect.

    Despite your guarantee - there is a reason why Mobley is undisputed top 3 pick.
     
  14. ApacheWarrior

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    I didn't write this article but I agree.

    https://showcasesportsmedia.com/2021/04/26/evan-mobleys-boom-or-bust-potential/

    You being in denial doesn't make Evan Mobley a star in the NBA, he has to prove it.

    Your West Coast fantasizing doesn't make his college numbers transfer
    over into reality (NBA)
     
  15. Rudyc281

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    And green is going to face some very long athletic and physical defenders in the NBA.

    As opposed to going one on one with Bobby brown at practice.
     
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    A dude from a program like USC with that size, potential and ability should be the undisputed #1 and he isnt. Just my opinion. I think out of the top 3 being projected, he is the most likely to bust.

    Will be fun (and nerve wrecking) to see these players grow over the years.
     
  17. ApacheWarrior

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    I agree, but I also see better 3-pt shooters in the NBA along the perimeter
    opening up greater lanes than the G-league or college levels.

    Name a college or G-league team that has perimeter 3-pt shooting
    along the line like Atlanta, Bucks, Sun's, Utah, 76ers, Clippers, Nets, Knicks,
    Portland, Denver, Warriors, and so on.

    Mobley is going to have 285 pounds players leaning on him
    all game. Guys that outweighs him by 60 pounds. To say that
    Mobley won't get tired by the fourth quarter and stop
    moving his feet and start reaching is kinda silly.

    Mobley Mob: "Apache, Evan never fouled Embiid, KAT, Vuc, Valanciunas,
    Gobert, Simmons, Ayton, Brook Lopez, Enes Kanter, Julius Randall, Zion,
    Plumlee, Drummond, Gasol, Capela in college."

    Apache: "Yeah because he never face those bigs in college." And he won't be hidden
    in a zone defense much in the NBA.

    First job of a center is to rim protect, defend the paint.

    Not Jalen Greens job to get all the rebounds and block shots near the rim. We shall see
    how he does in the NBA. It's all speculation from all sides. No exact science when it
    comes from rookies. But in the words of Shaq, "when these bigs arms spread out,
    bodies get moved." Embiid, Jokic can spread their arms and move some guys.........
    especially 218 pound centers.

    All the big centers have not been run out of the league yet.
     
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    No one is guaranteeing that any prospect will be a star, that is all you.

    And all your shots at the West Coast make zero sense considering the guy you tout is also a Cali boy.

    And just because you agree with something that does not make it fact.
     
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    Consideration for #1 and consensus #2 isn't chopped liver, let's be real.
     
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