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Too many scrubs to win a ring

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NewYorker, Feb 27, 2007.

  1. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

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    Personally, I like to live a bit more in reality....cheer for my team ya know, but let's face it...reality isn't easy to swallow.

    How do you know we are top heavy? Because we don't win without T-mac or Yao - not even against the worst of the league.

    With T-mac, we can beat the weaker teams and sometime beat a decent team. With T-mac and Yao - we'll do some damage, but still haven't shown we can beat Phoenix. And we haven't seen them together for much to know either.

    Without T-mac, we just suck. That's not the sign of a championship team. 2-7 without our star guard? Not a good sign.
     
  2. DaRhx5

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    I was about to post something like this. I wouldnt exactly say scrubs but not good role players, championship caliber players. Depth is wat we are missing and there is only so much yao and tmac can do. We really need a 3rd scorer who we can count on, so far bonzi aint much.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    What was Phoenix's record without Nash? Miami's record without Wade? If a team is built around a player, then losing that player is going to severly impact the team's record. That doesn't mean the team is not a championship contender, only that the team is not a championship contender without the player(s) it is built around.
     
  4. ShakeYoHipsYao

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    You are not living in reality at all. In fact, you seem to be severly delusional.

    This post is all over the map. We can't win wihtout T-Mac or Yao? What? Have you watched any games this year other than those in the last week or so?

    Did you forget that we beat the Spurs without T-Mac once and without Yao once?

    Obviously, we're not going very far without a healthy T-Mac or Yao. But this team has shown that it is much better that previous years' teams when playing without one of our superstars.

    You are a fairweather fan, a hater, and everything else that is bad about a sports fan. Get lost.
     
  5. Pringles

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    depth? we have snyder we don't use, if we get more depth we need a new coach.
     
  6. Pringles

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    phoneix is 4-11 these past 3 seasons, and they had who? staudmire? marion? aren't they allstars? joe johnson? (2 seasons ago) anyteam that doesn't have their star player loses. miami is also terrible without dwade.
     
  7. NewYorker

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    Sure, with either Yao or T-mac, they are so good that we can pull of an upset, but we won't win a series. Our role players are so bad, they can't beat Boston at home.

    By the way, don't you think it's a tad bit hypocritical to spew a bunch of slurs and then call someone else a hater? Seems like you might want to look in the mirror their buddy.
     
  8. lunaticrocket

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    Completely agree with the grades. We have two superstars, a Class A player (Shane) and everyone else is either below average or really really bad.

    But that might just be enough! I think many of us simply hope that TMac and Yao will just play unbelievable basketball in the playoffs, and that will be enough to win the championship. Kind of how they played the first two games against Dallas two years ago.

    I think we will all know if the Rockets have what it takes before the playoffs start. Say win 90% of the games once Yao returns.
     
  9. Cohen

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    Sorry, but that's just idiocy at it's finest.

    First, half of the game is TEAM defense and we're either #1 or #2 in the league, so none of our rotation players can suck at half the game.

    Then you can find some other decent stats and other rmediocre ones for individual players...that's not surprising with role players. And how do you haters explain away having only 1 superstar on the court during most of our many wins? You're claiming one superstar + one 'A' player and 6 rotation guys who are 'below average' or 'really really bad' equal .614 in the West, 6th best record in the league??



    It's just absolutely freakin ridiculous. You haters don't deserve this team.
     
  10. Cohen

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    We've seen TMac and Yao together, where have you been? 20 games this year for 70% wins, 30 games last year for 67%, and in the last 35 games played together the season before, 66%.

    Now Tracy's back is much better, Yao is vastly improved, the supporting cast is stronger than prior years, and you make it sound like we suck. Correct me, but last I saw 70% is a pretty good percentage, esp for playing in the West, is it not?
     
  11. bchapman101

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    actually, they had very good role players. Derek Fisher was a solid PG. Rick Fox could pop 3's. Horry did everything. Even Brian Shaw could shoot. But this team's role playes are horrid. Shane is fantastic, and Deke is a monster, but after that its the toilet. Luther's negatives outweigh his occasional wide-open 3 point makes. Wells is actually better (especially when in shape) than a couple of the starters, but he doesnt start because our bench would then be a joke.
     
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    First of all the 3 point line was further back in 94 so the percentages will be lower. The 94 starters were solid from 1 to 5. Rafer and Juwon are weaker players than any of the four guys that played with Hakeem that year.
     
  13. Lil Lee

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    these scrubs are role players. That's all they are designed to do. With a healthy Yao and McGrady in the lineup, these guys will shine. Of course, it's not going to be easy to beat the mavericks and the suns but expect ANYTHING in playoff basketball. It all comes down to matchup. Don't expect the mavericks to double team T-Mac in the late minutes of the 4th quarter if we meet them in the playoffs, b/c it'll lead to an open Yao Ming in the paint.

    The hardest team for us to beat will be the Suns, because they are absolutely Run N Gun. I just hope come playoff time if we do matchup with them, it'll be in the Western Conference FInals (if we make it that far and which i believe we can) and hopefully they'll run out of gas.

    Read the quote at the bottom of my profile. 6th place in the western conference and winning a championship. Having players such as Chucky Brown, Pete Chillcut, Tim Breux and etc. Have some heart Clutch City!
     
  14. DonkeyMagic

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    well true, but when you have 2 superstars that you have to double or triple team then it really changes the complexity.

    Plus, if the rockets were in such bad shape as the thread indicates, then thye wouldnt have won as many games as they have now.
     
  15. Rockets2K

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    VG must be quite the stud coach to keep this kind of winning percentage with such bad players. :rolleyes:

    Its either one or the other boys

    either our coach sucks and isnt properly using the vast amount of talent we have

    or

    we have crappy talent and a great coach helping them win so many games.

    you cant have it both ways.
     
  16. VicVictory

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    Exactly. When we win, people say its because of the players, rather than the Coach. But when we lose, it is all the Coach's fault. :rolleyes:
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

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    ^ lol. that is pretty funny.

    its amazing how people have selective logic
     
  18. Jerry36

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    I agree with New Yorker. Sure, they can win a game, but can they win a series. Based on what I have seen so far this season, I don't think they can. Every possesion is critical in the playoffs and inconsistency won't win you playoff series.
     
  19. VicVictory

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    Are you serious? We've blown out great teams, came from behind and won, and beat teams we are suppose to beat. Most of this was done without our big guy, Yao Ming. Based on this season alone, we definitely have what it takes to win a series.
     
  20. StupidMoniker

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    Um, that is backwards. In a series possessions are less critical than in a single game, because they do not carry over from one game to the next. It is much harder to go 1 for 1 than it is to go 4 for 7. The difference in the playoffs is that teams can scheme for 1 opponent, so coaching and matchups become more important. Individual plays actually become less important.
     

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