I think the Spurs have enough cap money to sign Brad Miller outright without worrying about a trade. They may have to trade for Kidd, but Miller could be had for a reasonable amount. 1) Kidd / Parker 2) Manu 3) Bowen 4) TD 6) B. Miller Pretty solid.
And while you are at it you can hand them the NBA Trophy. If the Spurs can get Kidd AND B. Miller in the offseason then they will be set. I think Miller will at MINIMUM command what Raef LaFrenz got this summer. And Kidd will get the Max. I am not sure the Spurs can make BOTH of those moves. It would surely have to involve trading Parker though.
heh Yeah...no way they get a Brand or O'neal for Parker + Rose. Cuttino + Eddie is a better deal than Parker + Rose, and I doubt we could even get a Brand or O'neal. I think Kwame is feasible(Though, I wonder...why is he so much more highly-regarded than Eddie...Spurs management would laugh in our faces if we offered EG for TP + Rose, but would probably accept a Kwame offer).
anyone just see Pop just blast the crap out of Tony for fouling fisher for 4 pt play, and then after screaming in his face, he benches him!!!
Lol Smeggy....I saw that! He was PRETTY mad. Not very pleasant. Well that's what I call a good coach. Very good coach. Great discipline...but I don't think Tony Parker cared... Anyways....Ginobili and Claxton came in for him! And they started playing even better!
Wow, sucking up in the post season so far, yet STEP UP HIS GAME BIG TIME in the most important game tonite ! Feeling silly now, HATERS ?
discipline is great, just not sure such a public outbust is the way to go by a coach nevertheless parker had a great game (before and after the blast)
Deuce - The more I think about this, I can't see how the Spurs can get Kidd. Follow me on this... The first thing that sets everything into motion is Duncan's Player Option. Assuming Duncan takes the $, the Spurs have 6 contracts (also assuming they take the $2.1m option on Ferry): Duncan - $13.3m Rose - $4.7m Bowen - $3.7m Ferry - $2.1m Ginobilli - $1.5M Parker - $845K !!!! Total - $26.1m Willis would be a no brainer for the vet minimum of $1m bring the total to $27.1m. Downstream, they can sign their 1st round pick even if they are over the cap so we now have 4 roster spots remaining with the Spurs having some form of Bird Rights for Steve Smith (expired $9m contract) and Stephen Jackson (expired $1.2m contract). Now here is where it gets weird because obviously Kidd makes a lot more than Parker. And as you can tell fron the listing, there isn't much the Spurs can offer to SnT for Kidd's $13m. And as far as I can determine, it would have to be a S&T. The question becomes...exclusive of Duncan, what combination of these contracts totaling $13m have any meaning to the Nets or another team that would ship their players to the Nets for the Spurs players? Also, best info I have on LaFrentz is around $7.3m. Brad Miller is currently at $5.2m.
They CANNOT sign Kidd AND Brad Miller outright. They DO NOT have pieces to make a S/T with Kidd either, so forget it. As I posted in other thread, Payton + Brad Miller makes so much more sense. They can keep Parker that way too.
GATER, you're missing some details in your calculation which leads you into a wrong conclusion IMHO. The Spurs WILL NOT take Ferry option, because he's already got his golden shake this season with 4.5 mil of salary, not the Vet min or 2.1 mil you mentioned above ( that's coming from Spurs insiders in SR.com and SA ExpressNews article, so it's pretty much valid info ) BUT, you can add Stephen Jackson qualifying offer as he would be put as a RFA this summer by the Spurs. That would cost us .85 mil. And, you have to include the "Virtual Salary" based from league rule to fill the rest of the roster with virtual player up to 12 guy on the salary list. Each virtual salary would cost around .30 mil if i'm not mistaken. Spurs would only have 6 players under contract and QA this summer, so before they fill their roster up, we would have to include 6 virtual players salary to the caproom ( 6X.30 mil = 1.8 mil ) These "virtual salary" would be wiped off the book when the Spurs start signing Free Agents, for example, signing Jermaine O'Neal for 12 mil, would inflict a .30 mil deduction from the caproom as one roster spot being filled. Kinda complicated indeed. And, signing Vet Mimimum and League Minimum exception won't count against the cap, as long the signing is executed AFTER the Spurs finishing their FA acquisition, so you can deduct K Willis salary from your number. Let's recount the Spurs salary obligation this summer, shall we ? TIM DUNCAN 13.3 mil MALIK ROSE 4.8 mil BRUCE BOWEN 3.7 mil MANU GINOBILI 1.6 mil TONY PARKER .85 mil STEPHEN JACKSON .85 mil ( QUALIFYING OFFER ) Virtual Players 1.8 mil TOTAL around 26 mil ( less perhaps ) Now, you can input any cap number you want ( realistically, it should be in the neighborhood of 40-41.5 mil IMHO ) The Spurs would have around 14-15 mil of salary cap room this summer, and adding ( signing ) a TRUE MAX Superstar like Jason Kidd or Jermaine O'Neal which would cost you around 12 mil ( 30 % X capnumber ) IS NOT beyond our team FINANCIALLY IMHO. It's good to be a Spurs fan indeed.
Gater, Im not following something in that logic. The Spurs do not have to trade 13 mil in salary to do a sign and trade for Kidd. If they are that far under the cap, the 15% rules no longer apply. Therefore, the Spurs could trade a future first round pick for Kidd much like the Magic did for McGrady. It basically comes down to this, if Kidd is already going to sign with SA much like McGrady was already going to sign with the Magic, then the Nets can decide, do they want absolutely nothing or do they want a future first? I dont understand how people keep saying the Spurs can land Kidd plus Kandi or Kidd plus Miller. As your numbers show, even if the Spurs decline the option on Ferry, they only have 3-4 mil or so in cap room left over after signing Kidd. That essentially means that they can sign one low to mid type FA or deal Parker for someone that makes approximately 3-4 mil more in salary that addresses another position. The rest of the roster would then have to be filled out by veterans signing for the 1 mil veteran min.
Ok,I'll end this debate right here and now! Pop DOES NOT hate TP and just loves the guy!This is an inside source from French reporters interviewing him 3 days ago and from other French sources. He was hard on TP coz he had been in a flunk in game 4 against the Lakers.That may explain the origine of the "rumor". Take my word for it,TP isn't going anywhere! ALA
MManal - I stand corrected on the basis of an oversight. Kidd has a player option and can opt out of his NJ contract. My logic was that NJ had Kidd's Bird Rights and that Kidd was a restricted FA. Obviously, he isn't. I also agree about the Spurs not having enough $ left for Kandi and Miller unless they just want to play on the Spurs for a lot less than their market value.
exactly. the guy is 20 years old so of course he's going to make mistakes. if the spurs DO sign kidd, i think they're betting that they can win the championship for the next 3 years or so and that would be it. like having success now is more important than in 5 years. but the thing is: Kidd isn't oriented towards the Spurs kind of play. Kidd works best when he has guys that runs the fast break with him. the uptempo game is where he breaks down a lot of defenses. With the Spurs and their half court set, Kidd wouldn't maximize his abilities...just my opinion. In my opinion, go after a Brad Miller and a PJ Brown would solidify them. I mean c'mon, a front court that has Miller/Duncan/Brown/Rose would scare the crap out of anyone in the league right now.
