Tommy, you even been in a Turkish Prison?

You're complaining about fallacies of logic? The irony burns like an STD.

According to you, the increased security has worked because we haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11. However, correlation does not equal causation.

I have a laser printer in my dorm here at UH. My dorm has not been attacked by terrorists. Thus, the laser printer keeps terrorists away.

Also, thanks for ASSuming that we're liberals because we disagree with you. Another fallacy of logic.

 

What problem did torturing this guy solve? What problem is this a solution to. Let me see, we wasted money flying a guy all over the world, and then he was tortured.

I didn't know we had a not flying people all over the world who aren't tortured enough problem.

You're right on the case.

 

there is a solution

it has been around for over 200 years

it is called the US CONSTITUTION and there is never a valid excuse to violate it.

 

Don't know if you've gotten the news or not, but the Constitution has been amended many times. Nice try.

 

A violation and an amendment are two wholly different things. It's actually in the Constitution about how to make an amendment, so it's really the opposite of a violation. I don't know what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting we amend to get rid of the Bill of Rights because of Sept 11????

 

There is a difference between changing through a process built into the Constitution and abuse.

 

you are pathetic

you pretend to be this big intelligent stud, but then play dumb when it serves your purpose to distort what someone says.

 

1) Lay off the personal insults. All that tells me is that you feel as though you have not represented yourself well, and frustration has set in. Keep practicing, reading and learning and you will improve. Trust me.

2) Who is playing dumb? I was the one aware that the Constitution has been amended.

3) When will the liberals provide a solution? Still waiting..... yawn.

 

You're so quick to attack someone else for their fallacies of logic while you completely ignore your own.

 

you suggest that I am stupid and that is not an personal attack?

your response to my orginal post shows that you have no defense to justify the raping our Civil Liberties are getting under Bush/Ashcroft.

of course I am aware the Constitution has been amended. I consider the Bill of Rights and all the amendments to be part of the Constitution.

I suggest you purchase a dictionary and learn the meaning of the word AMENDMENT. Keep reading and learning, you will improve your vocabulary, trust me.

A*mend"ment\, n
The act of changing for the better; improvement
The process of formally altering or adding to a document or record.

 

It's a two-way street TJ. Quit throwing out posts that make sane people question your intelligence, motives, logic, and decency. Regarding some of your posts in this thread and others, there is no amount of logic that can be brought to bear to counter your "opinions." If what you're saying is idiotic and you cannot realize that and you attack others for not using some twisted version of logic that sufficiently convinces you of your idiocy, then don't be surprised when personal attacks are forthcoming. There's nothing left for people to do but personal attacks... or perhaps ignore you.

 

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rimrocker, please do your best to rise above this level of insults. Surely you can represent yourself better than this juvenile display. What specifically do you propose we change regarding our anti-terror strategy? Can you provide a solution or just more of the same liberal complaining?

 

TJ,

We need to know how far we can go, So what Constitutional/ Bill of Rights Protections do you find outdated? What part/s of it are not obsolete in your eyes? What it comes down to is this, short of a total totalitarian society in which we as citizens give up all freedoms to the state we will always remain vulnerable to attack from within. That is one of the risks you take as an open and free society. So whats your solution? We can't work on a solution if we don't know what constitutional protections should be protected? Which should be sacrificed to the alter of "security"?

Also while you're at it.. I'd be intrested to see if you think this is going to far.. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?threadid=67905

 

Here's one solution, people do their jobs, and be thorough about checking into who you are sending to where and for what reasons. That will help us check into problems, but not do something wrong like we did.

TJ- How is it slippery slope argument when it's already happening? This is an example of something real that really happened, not just chicken little crying about things that might happen?

 

This thread is hilarity It's pretty obvious he's trolling, but I don't know whether to dump him on the ignore list or leave him off so I can laugh some more.

 

What is your solution, T_J?
Violating the rights of the citizen of an ally of long standing by sending him to a terrorist state to be tortured?

So your solution is that it is perfectly all right to do that?
You keep making absurd statements (that you know are absurd) and then calling out everyone else to come up with a better solution. What do you suggest?

What do you suggest?
That we send innocent people to a terrorist state to be tortured?

That's your solution? Right.
You think this is fun. Wouldn't you on occasion like to be taken seriously?

I guess not. That's a pity.

 

I thought we still had major differences with Syria. Why would they help us torture suspects for info?