1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Tokyo Buster Douglas vs the All Time Greats

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by verse, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. verse

    verse Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,774
    Likes Received:
    470
    The Buster Douglas that beat Mike Tyson not only fought the perfect fight, he was inspired beyond fear of failure and disappointment by the recent death of his mother. His fight was simply astonishing to watch as he controlled the previously indestructible Tyson with a rock solid and accurately jab, a blistering uppercut, and a demons will to succeed. So, of the all time greater, which do you feel he could have defeated with that kind of performance, given his execution?

    I will chime in later with my picks...
     
  2. RudyTBag

    RudyTBag Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    28,093
    Likes Received:
    21,306
    Plus, Tyson just didn't give a **** at that point...
     
  3. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,564
    Likes Received:
    56,282
    To answer that question, we first must ask...who could Tyson have defeated?

    I honestly believe no one in the history of boxing could have beaten George Foreman in Zaire except Ali.

    I also believe no one in the history of boxing was going to beat Joe Frazier in Manilla except Ali.

    So there is three who I don't think Tyson could beat on his best day and theirs. I think I'd apply that to Buster Douglas as well.
     
  4. VanityHalfBlack

    Joined:
    May 7, 2009
    Messages:
    18,214
    Likes Received:
    3,834
    Foreman would demolish Tyson and use his meats on his Foreman Grill...
     
  5. ChievousFTFace

    ChievousFTFace Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,794
    Likes Received:
    560
    What about Rocky Marciano?

    [​IMG]
     
  6. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    116
    Tyson lost to Buster Douglas because of two things:

    1. Tyson was out of shape. Remember that it was Tyson's best friend that was training him at that point. Kevin Rooney was fired after the Tyson/Spinks fight, and it all went downhill for Tyson after that.

    2. Douglas was in good shape, and was inspired due to the death of his mother.

    As far as all time greats vs. Tyson, here is how I see it. All of the greats in their prime, and Tyson in his prime, trained by the best trainer he ever had, Kevin Rooney:

    1. Tyson would have beaten Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano & Jack Dempsey. I have no doubts about this.
    2. Tyson would have had hellacious fights with George Foreman and Joe Louis, and it would have been 50/50 as to who would have won them...but they would have been slugfests and a whole lot of fun to watch.
    3. Tyson would have lost to Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay in his prime). Tyson never fought anyone with the speed and maneuverability of Ali nor did he ever fight anyone that had a jab like Ali. I believe Ali would have frustrated the hell out of Tyson had they ever fought each other in their primes.
     
  7. RudyTBag

    RudyTBag Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2006
    Messages:
    28,093
    Likes Received:
    21,306
    Would anyone beat Earnie Shavers on his best day?
     
  8. SwoLy-D

    SwoLy-D Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2001
    Messages:
    37,617
    Likes Received:
    1,448
    Oh, there dey go... there dey go... every #*(&^$# time a black man wanna talk about Joe Louis, a white man gotta pull out Rocky Marciano out they a$$... Rocky Marciano... Rocky Marciano... that's they one... that's they one... :mad:
     
  9. kjames

    kjames Guest

    My answer will be Ali.... What do u think?
     
  10. Ron95

    Ron95 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2011
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    1
    Foreman, Ali or Frazier would have a good chance.
     
  11. esteban

    esteban Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,582
    Likes Received:
    59
    And of course there is never any love for the Klitschko brothers. Vitali can take out anybody mentioned in this thread and so can Wladimir!
     
  12. verse

    verse Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 1999
    Messages:
    5,774
    Likes Received:
    470
    Douglas would've lost to Ali, by virtue of simply being out boxed. Douglas had a superior jab and footwork that magical night in Tokyo, but that wouldn't have fazed Ali. Douglas fought a perfect fight (except for the flash knockdown Tyson scored) that night, but Ali's ability to mix up his style on the fly would been more than Douglas had ever seen.

    I do think Douglas would've beaten Lennox Lewis had he brought that fight plan. Lewis was prone to underestimating opponents (Rahman) and Douglas would've fit the bill. Douglas also would've beaten Michael Spinks by virtue of being physically more imposing and being unable to be hurt by Spinks.

    Larry Holmes v Douglas (on that Tokyo night) would've been a great fight to watch as Holmes had one of the best heavyweight jabs of all time, but was never taken into deep waters, imo, in his prime.

    Every prior title holder Tyson beat along his glorious path, imo, would've lost to Douglas...that night...as well.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now