Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off killing mom

I think you need to go back to US Government 101. WE are NOT the government. Maybe this is why not enough people realize this. Our constitution is a representative democracy. This means we elect people to make these decisions. This is how the election process is suppose to work.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. A small group of people are presented to the American people and we get to choose which one we think is the best one. This is the reality. I didnt choose who gets to run for office. You didn't. Nobody here did either. Now feel free to put your tin foil hat on to explain how the candidates are chosen to be in the election process. And if we really do have a choice.

And you still say "WE" are the government. "lol". This mindset is exactly how we get the fools in Washington we have now.

 

It's so much more civil in here than in D&D. I am not being sarcastic either, it really is.

I've only been called a nut a couple of times so far and haven't been called a racist yet, so yeah, this is nice. :grin:

 

This is middle-of-the-road reasonable thinking. Personally, my first challenge is how do you enact better (i wont use stricter) gun control w/out making legal, law abiding and responsible citizens into felons for some idiotic law. For example, if Jim Bob has a pistol locked away safely in his car, but gets busted because he spends 2 minutes on school property for picking up his kid. Or Jim Bob gets pulled over in New Jersey from his trip to Texas to Maine and the trooper arrests him when Jim Bob tells him immediately he has a gun safely put away in his car. Or if I give my old 22 to my sibling from another state w/out doing a background check(I can legally do this if they are in the same state). That immediately makes me a felon. These are dumb laws that turn law abiding citizens into immediate felons.

Yes, it bothers me many states have ABC stores where you can only by liquor from, yet you can goto walmart and buy high powered rifles. We absolutely need to reduce the availability.

I believe there needs to be different classes of weapons. Bolt action, single shot weapons should remain unregistered. Any semi-automatic should be registered. Anyone with an x amount of semi-automatics should be required to attend regular classes. All weapons should be in a safe unless that individual has a (concealed) permit. Permits should require yearly classes.

I respect those who believe they should have guns to protect them from the government. Just keep them locked up.
I respect those who use guns for hunting. Just keep them locked up.
I respect those who use guns for shooting competitions. Just keep them locked up.
I respect those who feel guns are needed for their personal safety. Just take the time and take tests to prove you know what to do in an emergency.

I am very pro-gun. However I am past walking into my friends and acquaintances houses and finding a dozen guns easily accessible...only being protected by a single pane window 10' away. Regardless of their rights to do whatever in their home, its extremely irresponsible.

 

Yeah, that's never been an issue. Head/neck shots work really well, maybe you should kill what you shoot the first time? You won't waste so much meat that way

 

That doesn't mean criminals always use the guns on innocents. They usually get used in gang on gang violence, in criminal disputes.

Less guns results in less gun violence...FACT! Tighter regulation means there is less change the irresponsible, crazy people will have them.

You are basically saying, 'well if every is responsible, then accidents won't happen. Bull****, do you live in the REAL WORLD? That is not a practical answer because nobody is 100% responsible all of the time. It only takes one time, one mistake and your survival comes down to chance.

You gun nuts are so obsessed and attached to them, you have this paranoia that you cannot see logic and reason. What about the young girl at a shooting range, they have an instructor who runs these classes for kids. The instructor ending up being shot in the face.

Every day there is a story about someone being killed or injured by accident.

 

Yes, criminals use firearms on each other. What a fantastic argument to use to argue for increased regulations on law abiding citizens. It should have a great impact on criminal vs. criminal use of firearms. Yes. sarcasm alert.

I will ignore the poor grammar and address the poor logical reasoning instead. "Less guns" in this context means fewer guns in the hands of law abiding citizens. It does not imply a decreased number of firearms in the hands of non-law abiding citizens. We already have background checks and or waiting periods for most firearms purchases depending upon the state. There are already approximately 300 million firearms in circulation, more when you include the black market. What on God's earth makes you think that you can actually control this?

In the real world of firearms - which I live in daily - training accomplishes this goal quite well. It is almost invariably those who have no training whatsoever who die of firearms related accidents. I STRONGLY advocate training for a reason, and I am not entirely adverse to the idea of mandated firearms training. I have seen too much stupid **** from too many people, and I know the dangers fully. So let's hear your proposals for mandated training, instead of garbage libtard dreams about bans? One is completely unrealistic, the other holds promise to actually reduce firearms related accidents and deaths.

This is true. It would also be a logical reason to take all firearms away from law enforcement and military as well. We are all human, and all humans make mistakes, No?

But we don't. We trust cops, we trust the military. Yes, there are a lot of stupid people in the general population, but why can they not be trusted as well with proper training? I say this as someone who has had quite a bit of training outside of the military as well, and I know that civilian training is actually far superior generally. It is available to everyone, but many people do not know it exists as an option. And again, I am not adverse to mandating training - let's hear a proposal.

Blah blah blah back at ya.

And every day there are multiple incidence of defensive use of force with firearms. Since you won't trust me or any "conservative" sources, how about Obama's CDC?

CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

(CNSNews.com) – “Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,”says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January.

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

The report, which notes that “ violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past five years,” also pointed out that “some firearm violence results in death, but most does not.” In fact, the CDC report said, most incidents involving the discharge of firearms do not result in a fatality...

“Most felons report obtaining the majority of their firearms from informal sources,” adds the report, while “stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals.” (myth busted)

Researchers also found that the majority of firearm deaths are from suicide, not homicide. “Between the years 2000 and 2010, firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearm-related violence in the United States.” (another myth busted)

Full Story:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

If you are actually interested in truth you will click on this link and confront it. Beware, many anti-gun myths are busted, but the current administrations's statistics - and they are not exactly gun-friendly - are doing the busting. Facts do not lie, and when even the Obama CDC - a vigorously anti-gun organization - cannot hide them, then you need to check your assumptions at the door, because you are doing something wrong.

 

Well I've never actually had to use it, but I think it's a good precaution. It only takes one time to end up a hilarious Youtube clip.

http://youtu.be/LNGGbozilko

 

I have seen that vid before but good grief, that is a ridiculously aggressive deer. In our corner of the woods they only attack when cornered, and even they usually try to run first. Those hooves are sharp as razors almost...

So THERE'S your reason to carry libtards. Random aggressive deer attacks. Proof in video, so suck it.

 

Heh.

Goofball and his wife went out, took a bow, she had a camera. He slathered himself in doe urine or some sort of deer attractant and - this is key - did not get in a tree stand.

That video's been around for years.

 

Oh here's another poll supporting Gallup's findings:

Growing Public Support for Gun Rights
More Say Guns Do More to Protect Than Put People at Risk

For the first time in more than two decades of Pew Research Center surveys, there is more support for gun rights than gun control. Currently, 52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 46% say it is more important to control gun ownership.

Support for gun rights has edged up from earlier this year, and marks a substantial shift in attitudes since shortly after the Newtown school shootings, which occurred two years ago this Sunday.

The balance of opinion favored gun control in the immediate aftermath of the Newtown tragedy in December 2012, and again a month later. Since January 2013, support for gun rights has increased seven percentage points – from 45% to 52% — while the share prioritizing gun control has fallen five points (from 51% to 46%).

Full story with graphs and charts:

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/10/growing-public-support-for-gun-rights/

Interesting findings in the demos. The trend is pretty much across the board.

 

That isn't really good advice. Do you even hunt bro?

 

One of the reasons I'm glad I don't live in the US anymore. I miss it a lot but the gun laws just make little sense to me.

 

You're all over the place dude. In Texas, if Jim Bob has a gun in his car and picks up his kid at school he's doing nothing wrong. If Jim Bob is ignorant of the laws in the states he travels to and the laws regarding giving/selling guns to people from out of state then that's his problem. Pro gun people tend to be pro states rights so your comments are well, inconsistent, and anything crossing state lines has federal jurisdiction in about every situation not just firearms. I also hardly think doing a background check is dumb. Your sibling might be a meth addicted, mentally unstable thug so who cares if he's your sibling? Why would I trust your judgement on who is safe to own a firearm over a background and mental health check? Jesus.

Everyone is a law abiding citizen until they commit a crime. So what?

 

Lol gun nuts and their attachment issues.

 

OK, I'll play: explain

 

So you don't know, don't hunt? I mean no offense, I generally like your posts.

 

No, I do hunt. Genuinely curious why you think that.

 

You are just as likely to blow off their jaw and have them die of starvation/infection/dehydration as cause CNS damage/blood loss to kill them. The entire head is smaller than the kill zone of a heart/lung shot. Unless you are shooting from 25 yards and they are facing you, it is a horrible idea. If you hunt I am shocked you have never heard where to actually aim.

 

I'm well aware of all of these things. No offense and not to brag or anything, but no, I'm not just as likely to do that.

I have the luxury of:

a) not hunting for horns (I'm a meat hunter/freezer filler/population controller). "Trophy" hunting bores and disgusts me. If I see anything huge and beautiful, I take a photo. Anything I can hit with a camera I can hit with a rifle.

b) learning to shoot from my grandad and dad who grew up in the country having to deadeye a squirrel in the head with an open-sight .22 at 40 feet by the age of 12 or so.

c) not having to take a shot I don't want to. I have deer and hogs aplenty, so I can be quite selective in the shots I do take, usually between 50-100 yards.

d) This is the biggie: head/spine shots don't mess up any meat at all. The instant kill also does not allow the animal to pump out adrenaline or other hormones that make what some people call a "gamey taste". Believe it or not I like the liver/heart on a deer, and the liver off a pig. Got a great recipe for grilled venison heart from Jesse Griffiths, the ATX guru of wild game cookery. Look up his restaurant/butcher shop, Dai Due, it's amazing. You can make a hell of a pâté out of a venison/pig liver, it's also great for dirty rice or anything that calls for beef liver. A shot through the body cavity leads to too much internal blood and it fouls up those, and you also run the risk of messing up a shoulder (great for braising or grinding). Venison necks have plenty of great meat you can clean off for grinding (sausage/burger/chilli) and what's left from that makes amazing stock: think the richest beef stock ever, great to freeze in small portions and add to any sauce/soup/chilli/etc....

I mentioned that to the treeman because I know he's former military and can probably shoot pretty damn well. Not advice I would give anyone.

Don't be shocked, and thanks for the lessons and consideration!

 

What range do you hunt big game at? By just as likely I mean the brain/spine takes up a smaller amount of the head than the non fatal areas do. On large fauna eyes, jaws and lungs are much larger than brains.

Get a better camera? Camera range is much better than hunting range for anyone responsible. Also where are you taking these shots, as in area of the country?