Todd Jones makes a commentary on possible gay ball players

"You kno-o-ow what I mean!... Mississippi Queen!"

 

I don't know if women share your enthusiasm on the subject. They could, but I don't know. Are male reporters allowed in women's lockerrooms? I'm sure there are a lot of guys who'd love to walk in and interview Kournikova after a match while she's getting undressed, but I don't know if that would go over well.

 

Hey, hold on there buckaroo, all I said was he is entitled to his opinion, I actually don't have any issue with gays whatsoever, I am just saying that he has a right to say what he feels, and if it pisses others off, so what.

DD

 

I could tell you to hold on too, buckaroo. Of course he has a right to say what he feels, and 'if it pisses others off,' which it clearly does, they have a right to say what they think of what he thinks. What's confusing about that? Haven't all you conservatives around here been making the same point about responding to free speech which opposes the war? That response to such opinions is also 'free speech?' It is you who's employing a double standard here, by accusing the left of doing the same. Nobody said he didn't have a right to express his bigotry. Further, as pointed out by other posters, no one suggested a boycott or a threat of violence, which have been common responses to recent free speech from the left.

And I repeat, you would be reacting differently if he'd made the comments about blacks or Jews. Don't even pretend you wouldn't.

 

Actually I wouldn't.

I would still think he made idiotic comments, but I would put them in perspective and say.."Well he is just a ball player, why should I care what he thinks."

I didn't have a problem with Rocker being an idiot either..and I do not have a problem with people speaking out against the war.

Would it surprise you that I am dead against the Patriot Act too?

I am more middle of the road then you think...fiscally conservative, morally liberal.

Pro Choice
Anti Affirmative Action
Less big government
Pro Death penalty
Anti Patriot Act

Etc..etc...depends on the issue.

I happen to think that Jones is an idiot and is wrong...but I don't get the uproar.

You're just mad because he is tarnishing your good "jones" name.



DD

 

That's cool, DD. I just don't think there's all that much of an uproar. Certainly less than there was for Rocker or Schott. I responded the way I did because you seemed to be implying a double standard on the part of the left, which I don't believe exists at all. The ACLU regularly champions free speech which it finds to be distasteful, as do most true liberals (including myself). If you'd said you found his remarks to be distasteful (or even if you didn't) but that he had a right to say whatever he wanted, I wouldn't have said a word. I agree with that. I was responding to you stuff about free speech only being okay when it was PC and your suggestion that people should just shut up about it.

 

I believe it is.

In the same post, pgrab (no offense pg cause I like you) slams conservatives for giving their opinion and/or disagreeing with something someone says (whether they are a celebrity or not and whether their statment is PC or non-PC) and in the very next sentence, says "stop the hypocricy" and then, two sentences later, reinforces the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I found that ironic and hypocritical in itself. His whole post contradicts itself and thats what I was pointing out.

As far as the point you were making about DD, I did not realize PG was addressing his post (I didn't even read DD's post until just now) and thought he was just making a general observation (hence the "off the subject" disclosure at the top of his post).

With regards to critisizing someone like the Dixie Chicks for their controversional opinion and then critisizing someone who criticizes another celebrities controversial opinion (Todd Jones), in a way, yes it is hypocritical. However unfortunate, it happens all the time in all aspects of life. I just don't think its fair to call out conservatives on this BBS as the only ones that do it. Both sides of the political spectrum do it on here on a daily basis.

PS - BTW, I was not necessarily trying to be funny. I was trying to point out the contradictions in his own post because I like PG. Hence the instead of the rolleyes (which I know you hate ).

 

codell:

Thanks for laying off the rolleyes. Been seeing less and less of that and I think it's a good thing.

If you hadn't seen DD's post (which maybe I and pg and others misinterpreted, but I don't think so), then I understand why you posted what you did. But neither pg nor anyone else said it wasn't okay to disagree with the Dixie Chicks, etc. The beef the left has had has been the vitriol that's been aimed at people for expressing an opinion -- and an opinion, which it's important to point out, that was not bigoted or hateful. The left's response to the treatment the DC's got, was just the next in a series of free speech expressions, and a very understandable one if you ask me considering that the right seemed to suggest that it wasn't okay for Americans to (yes, even rudely) criticize elected officials.

I don't know if DD was on the bandwagon to boycott the DC's or whatever. But I read his post to say that since Jones has a right to freedom of speech, no one else should express an opinion about his expression of that free speech. That's what I call irony and I think pg was responding to that irony. I read pg's post to say that if it's okay to criticize one celebrity's free speech it should be okay to criticize another's (and if it's not, as DD seemed to be saying, THEN conservatives should shut up). Struck me funny, in the face of that, that you'd call him out without referencing DD, but then I didn't know you hadn't read DD's post.

That's all. No offense intended.

 

No, women don't want men in their showers because you're all filthy slobs, and we don't want to have to deal with your mess.

 

Plus, we have germs:

Elaine: "Here's to Peggy, on her first week of being germ-free, free."
[all four make toast]
Kramer: "Yeah. And here's to David Puddy for helping me install a much needed
and much appreciated garbage disposal in my bathtub."
[all four make another toast]
Peggy: "You have a garbage disposal in your bathtub?"
Kramer: "Oh, yeah, and I use it all the time. Yeah, I made this whole meal in
there."
Elaine: "This food was in the shower with you?"
Kramer: "Mm-hmm. I prepared it as I bathed."
[Peggy, Elaine, and Puddy all gag and wretch]
Puddy: "Oh, germs. Germs. Germs!"

 

"Yeah, let me tell you something: this is all in her mind, OK? She is insane. She thinks I made her sick because I coughed on her doorknob, rubbed her stapler in my armpit, and put her keyboard on my butt. Yeah ... she's a wacko."

 

They're all pipes, what's the difference!

 

Excuse me for a dumb-**** question, then, but don't gays have to do the same thing?

 

Who the hell cares if gay dudes get laid? <- for BJ

 

hel-lo

 

Holy hypocrisy Batman.

Weren't you the one who talked about the "spirit" of the 1st amendment when attacking those who criticized the Dixie Chicoms (or Chicks? ) and Tim Robbins?

 

I don't remember BJ saying anything about boycotting Jones, keeping his wife from participating in charity functions, etc.

You know there's a difference.

 

what's ironic is Batman Jones would never put forth so much effor to argue with DaDakota or T_J in person.

now, that's funny.

 

Oh, you don't think this would damage Jones' ability to earn money through endorsements? You don't think for one second that gay people would be more likely to ignore any sales pitch by Todd Jones? Are you willing to argue that gay people should disregard Jones' political opinions when considering any products that Jones may pitch?

Batman claimed that when conservatives asked the public to quit watching Susan Sarandon's movies because of her vocal political stances, the "spirit" of the 1st amendment was being violated.

Batman has displayed his hypocrisy most visibly.

 

What in the blue hell are you talking about? Why would Batman be a hypocrite if gay people started boycotting products that Jones would pitch? I'm completely confused because you said Batman displayed his hypocrisy and proved it by predicting that gay people would damage Jones ability to make money before any gay orginization has done anything about this. Well, Nostradamus, what does your prediction have to do with Batman? Do you think he's gay or something and therefore will follow through with your idea of what's going to happen?